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Jescissa wrote:So...I suppose what I'm asking is whether it truly is against Wicca or any other nature-based faith to be involved in a sexually expressive business. We mostly agree that sex is natural, wonderful and should be enjoyable...however how many of us would agree that lap dancing, pole dancing or sleeping with perfect strangers, often for money, is natural and wonderful too when we know full well that a lot of people participating in it are lacking self-esteem when they begin and are often exploited?
A lot of these posts seem to centre on what religious views did the Celts hold regarding sex - leading naturally to what did the druids think - and what were the marriage (.i. handfasting) customs. There is actually a LOT of sex in the early literture and we have an entire law tract on early Gaelic marriage (Cain Lanamna - my apologies for lacking fada marks).
In the narrative traditions I think 'Second Battle of Moytura' is pretty indicative of sexual mores - a total stranger solicits a princess, she likes him and, after ensuring that the proper familial obligations will be fulfilled, gets it on with him. Only after does she ask his name and a surety for the offspring. Any number of tales will show the lords taking 'one-off' lovers, with varying reactions from their wife/wives/concubines. 'Fingal Ronain' (Ronan's Kinslaying) is a cautionary tale about taking a wife too young, but could have some Christian influence despite the text's age. Another good one is 'Loinges mac Uisienn' or 'Deirdre', where Conchobar raises a beuatiful girl to be his sex-slave, only to have her run off with a young man. When she, after much betrayal, violence and bloodshed, is back with him, he tells her that he plans on sharing him with his freind - at which point she commits suicide.
If this suicide seems like Christian prudery, consider the Classical story that tells of a Celtic woman captured by a roman soldier. He raped her (as was customary) and then ransomed her back. With the deal done, he made some snide comment to her by way of goodbye, and her reply was to grab her husband's axe and bury it in the soldier's head. When the husband made a comment that her reaction was a little extreme, she replied that it was better that only one man alive should have lain with her.
Then again, most classical authors agree that Celts, particularly the men, were promiscuous AND there is good indication that same-sex ... er ... sex, was fairly common. One story tells of how an eighth century king showed his wisdom by deducing the father of a child, born of a woman who hadn't lain with man for some two years previous. His answer was that she had had sex with a woman who had just had sex with a man and his semen actually transferred from one vagina to the other - oh those wild Celts!
But what does all this say about Celtc sexuality? I think the Celts were right into their sex, but probably didn't have much in the way of systemization or 'sex-magic'. The act itself was magic enough (take a look at the sovereignty-goddess tradition). The laws seem to assume that sex will happen everywhere and at all times, so the legal question is then 'who supports the children'.
Barthes: Woman is desexualised at the very moment when she is stripped naked
Max wrote:As far as whether it coincides with Paganism or not? I think you can argue either way if you have that argumentative sort of mind! (As you've just proved with the Celts discussion!)
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