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runewulf wrote:Nope, I would call you a shamanic practitioner something along those lines. If you've read the post that Rag and I had going, you'd realize that I don't call anyone a shaman who hasn't gone through a shamanic initiation. As far as the word "shaman" goes, I reserve that title to the root meaning of that word, the tungus and other shamans who went through a rebirth initiation that wasn't of their choice.
Ragnar wrote:Sounds like a normal ritual to me.
It depends on your background.
What have you done since?
Ragnar wrote:Finding a spider is not unusual. Nor is seeing two crows. I saw 30 today on the way to college, and that is in the center of Berlin.
I know what they showed me. I just need to know difference is between initiation and shamanic initiation. Does shamanic initiation require a/any animal experience?Ragnar wrote:What did they SHOW you?
So does a shamanic initiation require some kind of extreme experience as well?Ragnar wrote:Did you wake up in hospital after five days of inexplicable coma?
Different images come to mind when read that. I don't know what exactly that is, but it sounds potentially poor and dirty. Poverty is unethical; I seek wealth that is within my means.Ragnar wrote:Do you know how to set up a smoke hut?
Ragnar wrote:One rain drop does not make a storm,...
Ragnar wrote:...four hours between episodes of spongebob does not constitute a valid training period.
Ragnar wrote:You must tell more about your background. We can only communicate if the information goes both ways. At the moment it does not appear to be doing.
I can assure you that no one on this site is trying to trick you, or rob you of something.
Ragnar wrote:It is a site where we talk, share and grow from each others experiences.
Crazy Healer Lady wrote:This is an effort to hopefully put the point across that a Shaman is not the same as a witch or a Bhuddist or a Christian.
Crazy Healer Lady wrote:A Shaman is above being a member of a specific religion, above priesthood, above everything.
Crazy Healer Lady wrote:They have true wisdom in their words, but are always humble and know that they are never as knowledgable as they can be, that they have so much more to learn…
Runewulf wrote:As a brief answer to the question of initiation, non... shamanic initiation is something that tends to be "shoved down your throat without conscious volition", it's something that just happens, usually during a traumatic experience.
Runewulf wrote: This doesn't mean that the shamanic practices can not be practiced, just that initiation isn't a choice or an active ritual or some such.
Silver Spider wrote:I’m not so certain of that…if I require an initiation, I start it myself if I have to, the Gods approving or not.
I just need to know difference is between initiation and shamanic initiation. Does shamanic initiation require a/any animal experience?
That's very naive. You may not have experienced some of the negative intellectual things I have experienced, so I can understand how you'd say that. There are many forms and techniques of communication. I share what I’d like to share, and I “must” or “mustn’t” do as I please.
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