Kitsune wrote:Let me just make certain I've got this straight, Davisherm...
It's okay to impeach a president based on his marital relations and misconduct
But it's apparently not okay to impeach a president for starting a WAR without due cause
While I agree wholeheartedly, there's a reason.
Please forgive me. I'm going to go all History and Government for a bit.
Clinton was not impeached because of his relationship with Monica Lewinski. The actual impeachment was more complex. He was actually being investigated for sexual harassment charges filed by Paula Jones in 1994 in regard to events that took place while Clinton was still Governor of Arkansas. She alleged that Mr. Clinton had made unwanted sexual advances toward her and implied that it would affect her job. The prosecution, in attempting to establish a pattern of harassment tried to imply that Clinton had actually harassed Monica Lewinski. She was actually a witness in that trial. During President Clinton's testimony, he declared that he had not had a sexual relationship with her, which of course was a lie and therefor perjury as he was under oath at the time.
The impeachment came about because it was believed that Bill Clinton was sexually harassing women, which is a serious problem for a high official. His perjury in the trial only added to the offense, and his other actions during the suit could be construed as attempts to obstruct justice. Not even the President is above the law. And that's why he was impeached by the House.
While Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives in a vote of 228 for to 206 against, the Senate did not approve the impeachment and the action died there with Clinton never being convicted of an impeachable offense. Therefore, he remained in office.
The problem we have in attempting to impeach Bush Jr is that we have no proof that he's done anything legally
wrong that would qualify as an impeachable offense. While I'm sure that by a certain definition, he's committed treason in starting a war that has killed thousands of American troops and hundreds of our Allies' troops as well (never mind the astonishing number of Iraqi's killed), the people that make these decisions may not see treason in the same way I do. So let's forget treason. How about those 'high misdemenors'. I would say that abducting people and then holding them against their will in a military prison without a trial is a blatant violation of civil rights. However, the people that this happened to were not American Citizens and it happened outside the US borders. Therefore, the Constitution does not apply and even if it did, the President could claim that these people represented a clear and present danger to the United States and he'd be covered. So we're sunk there too.
On top of everything, the President had the full backing of Congress to start this war. Which means that if we impeach him on the war, we have to impeach them too. (Although I'm fairly certain that the majority of Congress was just as misled as the rest of us.) Unless we can prove without a doubt that he took us to war for some illegal purpose (like providing Haliburton with some serious revenue in government contracts and rebuilding programs) then we can't impeach him.
And even if we could impeach him, we'd still have to get him convicted in order to get him out of office. The whole process of filing the suits and the exploratory committees needed would take forever. The impeachment of Bill Clinton took 4 years. Unless the gods hate us and he somehow figures out a way to get a 3rd term, we only have to suffer through another 638 days of Bush.
Voting the Republican Party out of office is the only way this will start to get better.
Even after that, though it's going to be a long, rough road to us being out of Iraq.
Bah, enough politics. I'm at work and shouldn't get myself mad.
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