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Help With Notes?

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:49 pm
by Mahala
I've been taking some very basic notes on Raven Silverwolf's To Stir a Magick Cauldron but I'm so confused about some of it! My biggest obstacle is having to do rituals without incense, and altar, candles that can be burned, or basically any other form of tool or type of magickal method. I have to be completely silent, which means I can't say anything out loud. That leaves me with meditation and path working, since those only require somewhere comfy and music.

Is it absolutely necessary to use divination before a working to see the outcome?
Should it matter what planetary hour it is?
What in the Nine Hells is 'void-of-course'? (The moon. Silver never clearly defines what this is.)
Should I care what zodiac sign the moon is in? (Moon in Virgo, for example, is stated as having work, environmental, health, service extension, and clothing aspects.)
Should I care about the moon being sextile, trine, square or conjunct?
Do I always have to write and detail every ritual or working I perform? Or can I reuse the same several times?
Is it really a good idea for beginners to conjure, stir, summon, or call? (I have trouble with just having a single set of divinity around... )

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:40 am
by Hytegia
1) I don't like devining for the outcome of anything. :/ On the side of me not wanting to know the future, I think it ruins the odds of a spell working. Because, if you divine and see a spell's outcome failing, then you might not want to try it... Then the spell would have failed simply because of the fact you didn't try.
See where I'm going with this?

2) Planetary Hours are important in Magick... Or they can not be. It depends simply on the fact that you BELIEVE that they will work. What is Magick more than channelled energies to do an act? The fact of the matter is, it will fail if you don't believe it will work.
So, in essence, the value of the Planitary Hours are up to you.

3) No clue. :/

4 + 5) See 2

6) I don't think you should worry about writing the every detail of a spell down, unless you plan on handing it to someone else to read. I only do that for my summoning spells, really, and a few other choice spells (like my Calling Rain spell). But the value of a spell is to the one using it.

7) Conjuring, Summoning, etc? Having problems? That's where I specialize in. Well, you should never summon anything unless you are sure you can control what you've summoned. I once summoned a medium-sized dragon (3rd week... What an idiot I was back then) that smacked me around abit for being an idiot, turned into a human-like spiritual form, and then basically told me (and I quote):

"I have better things to do than beat on Hatchlings.
If I have to deal with you again, I won't be so nice."

So, she kicked me once more, then went back to my little circle and disappeared into the smoke and fire which I used to call her.
Moral of the Story: You can summon Spirits. It's not like they are gods or anything, just be sure that you are ready for them to come in, and be sure to be polite... And controlling. They aren't there to play games with (um... Exempting a few fae, kitsune, and imps I've called up).


Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:31 am
by Crazy Healer Lady
A spell can be as simple as a prayer. A ritual can be as simple as a dance. Divining, incense, planetary hours all are helpful, but not necessary. All that you need for a successful magical working is yourself and the right will. The gods are smarter than people give them credit for. The majority of that stuff is for us.

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:08 am
by Kystar
For me, Divination is a ritual in itself that has nothing to do with spell-work. I use the Divination ritual to decide if further magickal action is required, or if I am already doing what needs done to obtain my goal. I also use it to reinforce to myself that I have made a good decision in something big...I'll go back a few weeks/months later and ask "Am I on my path?" while focusing on the I'm basically asking if I'm on the path the Divine want me on, or if I need to change something in my life. Surprisingly, I've had a 50-50 result with that...either, yes, I'm good for now...or no, I need to work on something.

Planetary hour/Void of Course only affects your workings if you think it will/should. If you believe that it has to be calculated into things, then it WILL need calculated in. Silver Ravenwolf comes across to me as more Ceremonial Magick than Freeform Magick, which is why I only have one book, the Halloween History one.

What is Void-of-Course? According to Llewellyn's Witches' Datebook:
Just before the Moon enters a new sign, it will make one final aspect (angular relationship) to another planet. Between that last aspect and the entrance of the Moon into the next sign, it is said to be void-of-course. Activities begun when the Moon is void-of-course rarely come to fruition, or they turn out very differently than planned.
The Moon's sign and its affects are only important if you are doing what I term "Astrologically Guided Magick." If you don't believe Astrology and all that has a huge affect on your life, then you don't need to pay that much attention to it.

I've reused requests. But then again, I don't do rituals really. I'm an "Off the cuff" kind of witch.

Summoning + newbie...oh, that's a bit of a recipe for trouble if you don't come into it with eyes wide open...but I've had a large number of bad experiences with someone who thought they knew more than they did and spirits, so that could be coloring my opinion.
Keep it basic...if you're going to Call specific, be careful, and be vigilant. Not all are nice in the non-corporeal world!

Frankly, you don't need the trappings unless you are made to BELIEVE you need the trappings.

The strongest spell I've ever worked was done with beads, raffia grass, and about twenty minutes in my library. Silently.
We were having problems finding a house partially b/c of my darling's flip-flopping to make sure that my fiance (at the time), our cat and I didn't end up in the street or tenting in a friend's backyard, I took a bead to represent him, a bead to represent me, a bead to represent our cat, a fake coin and a glass leaf, and braided them into the raffia grass while silently explaining to the Powers That Be...This is what we did to try and make this work...this is where we're having problems...this is why I'm asking for help. Please? HELP?
When the grass was braided, I knotted it into a circle and hung it where the sun could touch it. A week later, we had a rental, and I wrapped the grass around the rose bush in front until it broke down. (I did remove the beads, put them in a pouch and hung that in the new house).

So, no incense, no candles, no chanting. Me, working a craft. Low-key, high impact.

Hope this all helps.
~Gypsy out.

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:09 pm
by Kitsune
I agree with Kystar. Most of my spell workings happen with just me... Not even beads to help me along. :-D

Personally, my most valued tools are music (all music) and my imagination. Anything else is a bonus.

I do have a few physical tools, and I keep those charged, and with me as much as I can. My usual tools are my penduleum and my tarot cards. Use these tools, but never depend on them. They are only showing the most likely course of action, not the definite outcome... You are the one in control of your destiny when you use the cards. If you are shown an outcome you don't like, ask for advice on how to get the desired outcome. The cards will give you advice on how to manipulate the situation to your advantage (in my experience, usually in an non-magical way).

Moving on, as Crazy suggested, dance, sing, figure out different ways to do rituals. All are valid ways of doing workings.

Oh, as for summoning... Most spirits you summon will want you to have a purpose in calling them, or you need to be like me and able to make friends with any spirit you come across. I would suggest not summoning or calling until you are a little more trained. Spirits can be dangerous, Know what you're doing, and why before you call anything. I would actually suggest trying to get ahold of neighborhood spirits and conversing with them first. In my opinion they are overly pleased to find somebody who can hear them and tend to be more polite than a truly summoned one is.

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:02 pm
by Mahala
Can someone easily define some of the astrology terms? I'm going to go through and make a list of the ones I'd like to know.

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:37 pm
by white_harmony
Post up the list, and we'll all answer as best we can hehe. I know most terms that are used, and I'm pretty sure there are a few other members who do as well. So just throw them up once you've got a list and we'll go from there. :-D

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:54 pm
by Mahala
I found a Wiki page with all of the major aspects, the minor aspects, and ternary aspects too.
Astrology Aspects

Basically, a trine is an angle of 120°, a square is an angle of 90°, a sextile is an angle of 60°, and a conjunction is an angle of 10°, right? I finally understand the moon being void-of-course - It's sort of when the moon is 'stuck' between signs so it's void, of course. (Haha, not funny... I know, but I remember things that way. ) Retrogade is when a certain planet appears to go backwards for a short time. That's the most of my vocab, until I find more that is.

Now that I'm starting into astrology, I think I may have more to work with once I get through. I never knew exactly how being Sagittarius meant much! What's interesting is that the sign is like a general readout of my attitudes.
Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter, and this is what was put under Jupiter in this Wiki: Astrological Signs
Astrologically Jupiter is associated with the principles of growth, expansion, prosperity and good fortune; and a person's inner sense of justice and morality and their ideals and higher goals. Jupiter governs long distance and foreign travel, higher education, religion and the law. It is also associated with the urge for freedom and exploration, humanitarian and protecting roles, and with gambling and merrymaking or 'joviality'. The first-century poet Manilius described Jupiter as temperate and benign, and the greater benefic. It was regarded as warm and moist in nature, and therefore favourable to life.

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:58 am
by Hytegia
What I don't like about many books is that they require technical thinking and complex mathimatical processes to discover some hidden truth or do a spell about yourself... Which is good if someone belives they NEED complex mathematical processes to do such a thing. :/

Re: Help With Notes?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:17 pm
by Mahala
I know, and it's especially annoying if you're not a great mathematician. I'd like to learn enough astrology to use bones in divination. ('Star Bones', divination bones or osteomancy. I prefer calling it osteomancy.) I've been researching my own answers to keep busy, especially with the school year winding up and homework dwindling.

An ascendant is the zodiacal sign and degree ascending on the eastern horizon at the specific time and location of an event.
The descendant is the point 180° opposite the ascendant.

(I'll be using this chart for reference. it was calculated for June 21st for 1982.) On a circular chart, it has the houses of Virgo, Libra, and such, and when the sun, moon, or planets go through the signs, they are in that 'slice' of the circle designated to a sign. (The sections of the signs are arranged by the amount of degrees from house to house, starting at 0° and going clockwise, correct?) In the center of the chart, trines, squares, conjunctions, and sextiles are calculated. Around the center, the numbers of the Twelve Houses divide up the chart. On the outsides, the houses are again represented and the angles between which they belong are given.

On this chart: (I did it myself and checked it with a list attached to the chart.)
Sun & Moon are in Cancer
Mercury is in Gemini
Venus is in Taurus
Mars is in Libra
Jupiter is in Scorpio
Saturn is in Libra
Uranus is in Sagittarius
Neptune is in Sagittarius
Pluto is in Libra