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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:42 am
I've read that version that she's quoting in one of my general myths books, however the exact book reference is beyond me, since I"m at work.
I believe, like all myths, there are mutliple versions out that, based on different translations.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:42 am
Ahh found it, here's as simplified as I can make it,
Neb-er-tcher (the ultimate) self created himself by speaking his own name, becoming the god Khepara. Khepara raised himself out from the ocean body known aa Nu, and created the land on which to stand. Laying the foundations in Maat (Wisdom) Khepara united with his shadow, ie. he masturbated, to form Shu and Tefnut (Air & Dryness/Moisture). Shu & Tefnut were thus united and their offspring were Keb & Nut (Earth & Sky). The sun arose from the body of Nu and separated the Earth from the Sky with its light, at night the Sky embraced the Earth and brought forth the four gods, Osiris, Isis, Set & Nephthys. Osiris & Isis married before birth and brought forth a son Horus, while Set & Nephthys married before birth and brought forth Anpu or Anubis.
Khepara came to Osiris and told him he was a reincarnation of Neb-er-tcher, blah blah blah. And that's pretty much how the legend goes, slow and complicated, though I do like the bit about RA's self-creation & self-begotten alone with Isis's construction of the scorpion in order to get Ra's true name.
good ol' Isis.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:33 am
I could see how things would be "cleaned up" a little in presenting them to the general public in a children's or a school literature class book.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:07 am
I found that version on the British Museum Site:
the story differs depending on which book you read - the stories changed over time
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:55 am
OK I never posted my version of the witches creation story but I still will if anyone wants to hear it.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:35 pm
I think the main problem with the Egyptian myths and stories of the gods is that they lose quite alot in the translation. The original manuscript I had (but lost) had it dissected into three parts; a summary of each section, the full section, and finally the original heiroglyphics. (bad spelling)
When ever they wrote something down in ancient Egypt it always seem to be drawn out something shocking, like that paraphrase that I put up, I remember the original being about 6 pages long once translated.
If anyone can actually find a half decent copy of the Book of the Dead or sometimes referred to the Papyrus of Ani, give us a buzz. Though make sure the original ultimate god is Neb-er-tcher, otherwise it might be a dud.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:17 pm
Arcanum - the Papyrus of Ani is the basis of The Book of the Dead by E.A.Wallis Budge, have just bought my own copy, instead of borrowing the one from the local library, and it goes into detail about the papyrus of ani, including translations of the whole thing.
Would love to hear your creation story Wbdsgnr!!!!!
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:45 pm
OK I will have to type it all out of my book. It was on my computer but its not anymore. I will do that tomorrow i promise.
uh where'd it go?
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:48 pm
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:26 am
WD1, I would like to hear this story too.
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:25 pm
Please please please....?
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:03 pm
I had a really good book of creation myths but I think it was a library book and I returned it...
My favourite creation myth (or myths actually) would have to be my local ones. The Australian aborigines have a huge wealth of dreamtime stories about how different things were created, but so many of them were lost when the Europeans landed and started killing aborigines.
The main stories, I think, were about Baiame, the ancestor god, and the rainbow serpent. The rainbow serpent created the landscape - its movement created winding rivers and hills.
I've looked everywhere but I can't find my ab. studies book from last year, or I'd post the actual stories...
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:10 am
I would very much like to read you're creation story WD1!!!
And Arcanum Owl, if you tell me how to put it to good use and post/ send it, I have a text file copy of the Papyrus of Ani with all the extra spellings of the names.
Also have an Egyptian Myth and Legend by a Mackenzie fellow. I have tons of e books like that, so if you want it, ask and I'll see if I have it.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:19 pm
i always say that you should make up your own myths/gods/whatever. you understand? i think it helps bring out the creative side and also, if you study a certain pantheon but disagree with some of the gods or myths, you can just make them up yourself. plus, they are undeniably personal.
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:19 pm
I have a book by Silver Ravenwolf that has a creation story in it. I like it but it has been a long time since I've read it. I don't recall which book though, but it was long. I wish my friend gave me back my books now. :-(