Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:46 am
No probs - no offence meant, none taken.
Let the Spells fly!
I agree. It's fun to bash them and have something to sort of scapegoat when you are in a terrible mood, because let's face it most of us have had BAD experiences, but you are totally right.I know I am sounding a little preachy but sometimes I have trouble with the Christian sentiments on the board, for the most part I take them in stride, but I think there is a lot to be said for it, and many other religions as well. I have to remind myself why I stick with the religion, and you guys are great at making me think critically about my choices.
I may be an old cynical bu**er, but personaly I see no proof that the bible was twisted, so I prefer not to give them the benefit of the doubt.Crazy Healer Lady wrote: What I am sad about is that the teachings of a great man were destroyed and turned hateful and these jaded beings turned what could have been a powerful and amazing spiritual path into what we all see today in Xianity. It is beautiful until the persecution starts.
Hmm, German humour mixed with Wiking temprement, and Scottish stubbornness, not helped by having no coffee for two days, cus it ran out before pay day, meets American P.C.Crazy Healer Lady wrote: Oh, and I must say, "Poor Ragnar." It takes so long to realize you're not actually being mean. (most of the time... I think...) [-o<
This "misrepresentation" is an interesting thought.Willow wrote:RainforestMoon,
I thought about what you said. Is it possible that the judeo Christian God may have been misrepresented by the cultures that wrote the scriptures? The reason I ask is because a lot of the ancient gods were not very nice pieces of work. Not all but some.
Naturally. Monotheism allows a central authority to have far greater power than Polytheism. The ruling classes just need to appropriate one God to achieve their aims.....Willow wrote: And demanding exclusivity makes political sense, it is way easier to gain control of a land using God as a tool (I.e. kill all the people who believe something different and can make rightful claim to the land because our God is better).
It is only Christians that use the therm Judeo-Christian. The concept has no validity in the thinking of Jews. By using that term christianity manages to take on the mantle of greater authenticity.Willow wrote: And I agree that the term judeo Christian is something of a misappropriation. The Christians I know would say they are the same God but Jews just won't acknowledge the trinity. Anyway, that is just a thought, I am not trying to fight but I would love to hear what you think.
Artemisblessed wrote:i agree. except that in the case of the judeo-christian god(s), as you say, to my understanding is pretty much all you could ever want in a god, parently, friendly, protective, loving, inspiring, etc. so maybe to the christians (i'm not really sure, i'm just speculating) they find no need for other gods, so they only say that to eliminate temptation.
temptation of what? i'm not sure...
I agree with all of the above....CHL has said it much bettwe than I ever could. Having been raised a Christian myself, and not finding my true path until much later, (and of course, I'm still finding things out...) I've sort of known about the Xian God, and Jesus - I've never been afraid of him, like CHL, and I also think that Rain Forestmoon is completely right.Crazy Healer Lady wrote:
It's fun to bash them and have something to sort of scapegoat when you are in a terrible mood, because let's face it most of us have had BAD experiences......... I will not worship my deity the way they do, for I walk a path lined with herbs and trees and flowers and not with crucifixes and bibles........... what could have been a powerful and amazing spiritual path into what we all see today in Xianity. It is beautiful until the persecution starts.
Oh, and I must say, "Poor Ragnar." It takes so long to realize you're not actually being mean. (most of the time... I think...) [-o<
Maybe in westerns society, maybe he would have been like doctor Phil, I can't say I believe Jesus was a nutter though. Alas, we must agree to disagree. But remember, shaman in one culture, schizophrenic in another.What great man? If he was around today he would be the mumbling nutter in the corner of the pub with the five day old news paper and second hand rolling tobacco.
Quite all right.Artemisblessed wrote:sorry, ragnar... PaganLight's right, i DID think that. sorry!
I suposse therin lies a difference. I see the god as inseperable from the followers.Artemisblessed wrote:sorry bout the double post, but i must agree with you on that, but i also have to beg to differ. my vendetta against the Christian God is slowly drawing to a close. it's not HIM i hate, it's his blasted FOLLOWERS. as far as i'm concerned, he's done nothing wrong. to me.
Thats my opinion as well. So, as you will apprieciate, I do not really hold with the "bible being twisted" theory. Whether twisted or not, THEY wrote it, and they have made the choice to follow it.Rain ForestMoon wrote:The Jewish and Christian Bible talk about God creating Humans in God's likeness. I believe that it's just he other way around: Humans have created God(s) in their likeness.
Of course it was twisted by Xians. Who else would do it? I'm sorry but when you only look at the Fundies you are limiting your view incredibly. You cannot say that the whole religion is bad because only the Fundies get through. How could a text survive translation and centuries of political and religious dictatorship without changes? I do not believe the bible, and I never will, but I started reading it as my Xian friend would read it to get some perspective and study it a bit. Instead of following the bible exactly, it is pick and choose and that may be cheating but it can be the only way you can follow these crazy religions without turning into a hate monger.I may be an old cynical bu**er, but personaly I see no proof that the bible was twisted, so I prefer not to give them the benefit of the doubt.
If the bible WAS twisted, it was done by christians. So...
What great man? If he was around today he would be the mumbling nutter in the corner of the pub with the five day old news paper and second hand rolling tobacco.
Or living in a small room with thick doors and a paculiarly thick spongy wall paper, wearing his shirt backwards.
Just out of curiosity, do you think all conceptions of the Gods invented? Or do humans have a natural rhythm of a type of divine they will turn towards?Before the monotheists came along, I believe NO other people knew of a single, all powerful god. So they invented it, they formed it in their own image.