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Re: Jihad Jamie and Christian Hypocrisy

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:26 pm
by Kitsune
I consider anyone who does not listen to reason a threat... That includes Pagans in my area who speak out to strongly against other religions as valid paths.

IMO, it's not the religion that we need to fear, but the mindset behind those radical parts that we need to squish in the bud.

Re: Jihad Jamie and Christian Hypocrisy

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 4:58 am
by Dark Waters
Ragnar wrote:I have long come to the conclusion, particularly here in Europe, that Heathens/Pagans are "fighting the wrong enemy".

MUSLIMS are the biggest problem. christians we can deal with. MOST of them are mature enough to realise that other religions DO exist, and, for most of them, they grudgingly accept we havbe a RIGHT to do so.

Muslims however, are still stuck in the "witch" burning times. THEY are OUR main threat today.
Well, we've gone at it a bit on FB over those articles, and you know my mindset that broad paintbrushes don't work for anybody.

Not all Muslims are "X" anymore than all Christians are "Y" or all Pagans "Z", but that is neither here nor there for the point above.

I still view Christians as a major threat to Pagans, and even moreso than Muslims. After all it wasn't Muslim Students that defaced the Pagan Circle at the Colorado Military Academy with a Moon and Star - it was the Christian Students with a Giant Cross.

Just because there is another threat, doesn't mean you forget about the first one, because they'll hit you while your back is turned. This is one of those cases where "the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend".

But I view them as a higher threat because Christians are far more powerful and subtle in their manipulations. They moved from "witch-burning" to politics and laws. At every turn they try to enact "Moral Laws" which outlaw anything they disagree with. Same-sex Rights, Anti-Abortion and the list goes on about what God would want.

One of your FB links taked about a Governor meeting with Islam leaders about a 'list of demands', but how is that different than the Religious Rights demands for the same things.

Re: Jihad Jamie and Christian Hypocrisy

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 6:25 am
by Ragnar
I still view Christians as a major threat to Pagans, and even moreso than Muslims. After all it wasn't Muslim Students that defaced the Pagan Circle at the Colorado Military Academy with a Moon and Star - it was the Christian Students with a Giant Cross.
It wasn't the christians that stone people to death for witchcraft. Not 500 or 600 years ago, TODAY!

I believe I posted the story here about three years ago, about a myn in Sudi, that was stoned to death for owning a skull ash tray, that the religious police claimed was proof that he was a "Devil worshiper". Women in the Middle East are still getting sent down for ten and twenty years for "witchcraft", because they are midwives.

Yes, of course, the christians DID that. But they are NOT the present and clear danger that the muslims are.

Compared to that, a bit of paint, or whatever they used to deface the circle, is rather laughable.

Re: Jihad Jamie and Christian Hypocrisy

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:17 pm
by white_harmony
I think it is fair to say that both are an equal threat to other religions. While one converts and masses followers in vast numbers, they other has turned to politics and game playing in that arena. Neither should be discounted. You both live in different countries with different situations, so you both view one as more of a threat than the other, because that is what you are faced with daily.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Re: Jihad Jamie and Christian Hypocrisy

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:25 pm
by daibanjo
Gotta jump into this thread. I had a Christian tell me that my polytheistic ways are ridicolous. So i pointed out that what he believes is a god who fathered himself then arranged to get tortured to death so that we could telepathically communicate with him and so be saved from a sin that began when a talking snake convinced a woman that she should eat an apple. And he called ME ridicolous?
I agree with Ragnar though. The quran specifically states that pagans should be killed. There are the "enlightened" clerics who say it only referred to the pagans who were killing moslems back in the day but that doesn't hold water. There are far too many of them around who are willing to take such things literally and do away with us. They can build a mosque here but what would happen to a Goddess Temple in a moslem country and what would happen to Ragnar and his folk at a Blot.
I have come to believe that tolerance is only reasonable when you are amongst the tolerant otherwise it's suicidal.
I can live happily with moslems, christians or anyone else. If they do not object to me I will not object to them.

Re: Jihad Jamie and Christian Hypocrisy

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:48 pm
by Ragnar
daibanjo. Except, in 700+ years, a certain group have still not got beyond the Malleus Maleficarum stage of "enlightenment".

SOME people try and tell me, "Oh they are O.K if you just talk to and reason with them".

Yeah right. Like a midwife accused of child destruction by magic could talk to and reason with Torquemada or Matthew Hopkins. :-"