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Post by lucas » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:01 pm

Warning: this is sorta long.

I’m not sure if this goes here, or in the political section. The line is really getting blurred.

I ran across these nice folks the other day while cruising the local outdoor arts and crafts venue, which is supposed to be dedicated to local artists, craftspeople, and locally grown produce. I am not at all sure how this qualifies as locally produced anything, much less how the powers that be were persuaded to let them set up their booth in our midst, but there they were.

They are claiming to be the third largest political party in this free land of ours, and are not trying to hide their intentions in any way.

Here is the URL, followed by a couple of excerpts from their official web-site. I don’t think this one is media hype, although I suppose it could be argued that the sky is falling.

http://constitutionparty.com/
Preamble
The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.
This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.
The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.
The Constitution of the United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.
The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules.
We affirm the principles of inherent individual rights upon which these United States of America were founded:
• That each individual is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness;
• That the freedom to own, use, exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of property is a natural, necessary and inseparable extension of the individual's unalienable rights;
• That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all;
• That history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the people's rights; and
• That, therefore, it is essential to bind government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the governed.

Education
All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans.
Because the federal government has absolutely no jurisdiction concerning the education of our children, the United States Department of Education should be abolished; all federal legislation related to education should be repealed. No federal laws subsidizing or regulating the education of children should be enacted. Under no circumstances should the federal government be involved in national teacher certification, educational curricula, textbook selection, learning standards, comprehensive sex education, psychological and psychiatric research testing programs, and personnel.
Because control over education is now being relegated to departments other than the Department of Education, we clarify that no federal agency, department, board, or other entity may exercise jurisdiction over any aspect of children's upbringing. Education, training, and discipline of children are properly placed in the domain of their parents.
We support the unimpeded right of parents to provide for the education of their children in the manner they deem best, including home, private or religious. We oppose all legislation from any level of government that would interfere with or restrict that liberty. We support equitable tax relief for families whose children do not attend government schools.
So that parents need not defy the law by refusing to send their children to schools of which they disapprove, compulsory attendance laws should be repealed.

Sanctity of Life
The pre-born child, whose life begins at fertilization, is a human being created in God's image. The first duty of the law is to prevent the shedding of innocent blood. It is, therefore, the duty of all civil governments to secure and to safeguard the lives of the pre-born.
To that end, the Constitution of the United States was ordained and established for "ourselves and our posterity." Under no circumstances may the federal government fund or otherwise support any state or local government or any organization or entity, foreign or domestic, which advocates, encourages or participates in the practice of abortion. We also oppose the distribution and use of all abortifacients.
We affirm the God-given legal personhood of all unborn human beings, without exception.

As to matters of rape and incest, it is unconscionable to take the life of an innocent child for the crimes of his father.

No government may legalize the taking of the unalienable right to life without justification, including the life of the pre-born; abortion may not be declared lawful by any institution of state or local government - legislative, judicial, or executive. The right to life should not be made dependent upon a vote of a majority of any legislative body.
In addition, Article IV of the Constitution guarantees to each state a republican form of government. Therefore, although a Supreme Court opinion is binding on the parties to the controversy as to the particulars of the case, it is not a political rule for the nation. Roe v. Wade is an illegitimate usurpation of authority, contrary to the law of the nation's Charter and Constitution. It must be resisted by all civil government officials, federal, state, and local, and by all branches of the government - legislative, executive, and judicial.
We affirm both the authority and duty of Congress to limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court in all cases of abortion in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 2.
In office, we shall only appoint to the federal judiciary, and to other positions of federal authority, qualified individuals who publicly acknowledge and commit themselves to the legal personhood of the pre-born child. In addition, we will do all that is within our power to encourage federal, state, and local government officials to protect the sanctity of the life of the pre-born through legislation, executive action, and judicial enforcement of the law of the land.
Further, we condemn the misuse of federal laws against pro-life demonstrators, and strongly urge the repeal of the FACE Acts as an unconstitutional expansion of federal power into areas reserved to the states or people by the Tenth Amendment.
In addition, we oppose the funding and legalization of bio-research involving human embryonic or pre-embryonic cells.
Finally, we also oppose all government "legalization" of euthanasia, infanticide and suicide.

Pornography
Pornography, at best, is a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony, and at worst, is a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities. We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.
With the advent of the Internet and the benevolent neglect of the previous administrations, the pornography industry enjoyed uninhibited growth and expansion until the point today that we live in a sex-saturated society where almost nothing remains untainted by its perversion. While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that our collective representative body we call government plays a vital role in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in our community standards.

Energy
We call attention to the continuing need of the United States for a sufficient supply of energy for national security.
Private property rights should be respected, and the federal government should not interfere with the development of potential energy sources, including natural gas, hydroelectric power, solar energy, wind generators, and nuclear energy.
We call for abolishing the Department of Energy.

There is much, much more on this site.

Wikipedia also offers some interesting insights into this.

Have a nice day.
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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:05 am

Good bye blue sky, goodbye blue sky. Goodbye. Goodbye.

Why does this immediately make me think of The Wall?

Yep. Trying to keep our Christian rights, mmhmm. The founders of the USA surely said nothing about religious freedom for ALL religions. Yep. They are crackpots who are too extreme even for the USA to bring to power, I think. After Bush, sounds like they've had enough of extremism.
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Post by Willow » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:42 am

Yeah...sure sucks to be a christian inthe US, all thepersecution they are getting. :-?

Oh well, I doubt they will ever get into power, they may claim to be the third biggest party, but I would need to see proof of that!
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Post by Kitsune » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:28 am

Just my personal opinion here...

But these people need to be taken out into the street and shot!

:evil: :evil: #-o #-o
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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:04 pm

I would normally agree... but then I think that we would be stooping to their level.

Perhaps shoot BACK should the need arise, which it most certainly would if they actually gained ANY political power. (I, too, highly doubt that "3rd" statistic)
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Post by lucas » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:25 pm

I don't know about the 3rd largest claim either, but here are a couple of quick excerpts from Wiki on this:


Affiliates and other similar parties

The Michigan affiliate has kept the U.S. Taxpayers Party name to retain ballot status. In Connecticut the affiliate is the Concerned Citizens Party; in Nebraska the affiliate has recently changed its name from "The Nebraska Party" to "The Nebraska Independent Party"[6]. In California, the affiliate is the American Independent Party and in Nevada it is the Independent American Party. According to Richard Winger, the editor of Ballot Access News, and other observers, the word "Independent" in the party name may have attracted the registrations of voters intending to declare themselves unaffiliated with any party.[citation needed]

It has been rumored that the Constitution Party discussed a merger[7] between several third parties such as the Reform Party, Independent American Party, American Independent Party, and the America First Party, but others have rebutted this as a misinterpretation of the events.[8] All of the aforementioned parties except for the Reform Party endorsed Michael Peroutka as their presidential candidate in 2004.

Pat Buchanan threatened to run as the U.S. Taxpayers Party candidate if Bob Dole had chosen a pro-choice running mate in 1996. Dole ultimately chose pro-life Jack Kemp and received Buchanan's endorsement. Buchanan stated on the September 7, 2004 edition of Hardball with Chris Matthews, "There is a chance I would vote for Peroutka."[9] Buchanan's running mate Ezola B. Foster later joined the party.

Conservative U.S. senator Bob Smith announced his switch from Republican to this party, then the U.S. Taxpayers Party. He also briefly ran for its presidential nomination in 2000. Smith later claimed that anti-New World Order ideologues within the party resisted his candidacy due to Smith's Roman Catholicism. He continued his campaign as a non-partisan independent but ceased the campaign soon after.

Minuteman Project co-founder Jim Gilchrist ran for Congress with the American Independent Party in 2005, but has since rejoined the Republicans. [4]

Conservative author and WorldNetDaily columnist Jerome Corsi launched a brief campaign for the 2008 nomination but in July 2007 decided to return to writing.



OK, so that wasn't so quick.

But please indulge me for just one more. The last sentence is particularly interesting.



Foreign policy

Additionally, they favor a noninterventionist foreign policy. In such, they advocate reduction and eventual elimination of the role the United States plays in multinational and international organizations such as the United Nations, and favor withdrawal of the United States from most current treaties, such as NAFTA, GATT, and the World Trade Organization. The party takes paleoconservative positions in supporting protectionist policies on international trade. However, most of the party's membership supports the existence of the State of Israel as a springboard to the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation.

I don't think I like them too very good. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Post by Mahala » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:55 pm

I read this and think,
"Is this real? Or am I dead?" :-?

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Post by lucas » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:25 pm

I am not trying to bash anyones' beliefs, but these people have me more than a little concerned.

I guess what I am trying to do here is warn people.

I have been sensing a very real danger for some time now, and this afternoon I dug a firearm out of the closet which had been covered by a mountain of textbooks for years. I cleaned it up, and went to the local gun shop to see about some ammunition for home defense.

The nice man talked to me for over 30 minutes about the finer details of defending myself with a firearm, and while I was there I couldn't help but notice that the constitution party had a flyer up on the bulletin board announcing meeting times and places, and there were two gentlemen at the far end of the counter poring over topographical maps, pointing out defensible positions in the terrain, and I heard one of them make a statement about how that particular area has an abundance of Mormans who would be friendlies. When they noticed I was paying attention to them, they changed the subject. They were all wearing side-arms, by the way.

I purchased some ammo, and made a hasty retreat.

I don't know what is going on, but I don't like the feelings I am getting about this.

I think the fact that they were willing to talk to me means that they aren't concerned with a threat from the public just yet. I believe they are more worried about the government at this point. The flyer was inviting everyone to their meetings who might be "concerned about losing America".

These folks are armed to the teeth, have what I personally consider to be some rather odd beliefs about the nature of reality, and are planning on something very big happening very soon.

OK, this is all you will hear from me on this subject.
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Post by Mahala » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:53 pm

Sick.

Not that I have anything against Christians or Christianity, but this is going too far.

They want to destroy or take apart most of what makes America functional, rather than futile.
Nobody but the people they choose get into office? That's not fair, everybody should have a right to vote, even if they vote for people who make this bunch's skin crawl.

They have got to realize, the US was built on one religion, but changes have been made to accomodate others. Just because their religious purity has been taken away, they shouldn't whine.

Hell, why not just tear up the constitution and start on a blank slate??
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Post by Kitsune » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:54 am

Because then they believe that they don't have history behind them to back them up... As though History in itself makes them right... :roll:

And Honestly, CHL, I don't know if "Shooting Back" would work... That means I'd lose too many of my friends in the first round... But I do hate the idea of shooting first... Maybe laying low until they need to re-load again, then shooting back... That might work better! ;) :lol:
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Post by Mahala » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:58 am

There are some parts of American history that school doesn't teach... #-o
The DARKER parts.

You're right. They probly think that the Constitution and the Dec. of Ind. give them 'rights' to take over. :roll:

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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:39 pm

There are some parts of American history that school doesn't teach...
The DARKER parts.
Yeah... Like Canada burnt down the White House ;)
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Post by Mahala » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:28 pm

I never knew that. Thanks CHL.

Yeah, I had to go around barriers to actually find out how some things REALLY did happen. Like how America shoved all the indians out, then tried to shove them further and further away. How we picked fights (YES, it is me saying it...) With our selves and with our neighbors (Mexico).
Some times, I want to go back in time and yell into the nearest persons ear, "HELLO?! Do you have ANY intelligence in there?!"

There were some parts of history, really gruesome things, but they're usually hush-hush and they're not in the 'standard' textbooks.

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Post by Ragnar » Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:24 pm

Crazy Healer Lady wrote:
Yeah... Like Canada burnt down the White House ;)
Ähhh. So...history was NOT one of your best subjects then?
The British Burn Washington, DC, 1814
As the British army of approximately 4,000 approached, the majority of Washington residents fled the city. On August 24th American defenders, with President James Madison in attendance, were quickly routed by the invaders in a battle at Bladensburg a few miles from the city. A messenger was dispatched to the White House to warn First Lady Dolly Madison of the impeding arrival of the British. She and her staff fled by carriage across the Potomac - taking with her the full-length portrait of George Washington that had been torn from a White House wall.
That evening, the vanguard of the British army reached Capitol Hill and began its systematic destruction of all public buildings in the city.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/washingtonsack.htm
The Burning of Washington is the name given to the burning of Washington, D.C., by British forces in 1814, during the War of 1812. Strict discipline and the British commander's orders to burn only public buildings are credited with preserving most residences, and as a result the facilities of the U.S. government, including the White House, were largely destroyed. The attack was in retaliation for the U.S. invasion of York, Upper Canada (now Toronto, Ontario, Canada), at the Battle of York in 1813, in which U.S. forces looted and burned the city, including the Parliament Buildings of Upper Canada.
During the War of 1812 much of Washington was burned by British troops in retaliation for burning Upper Canada's Parliament Buildings in the Battle of York (present day Toronto) leaving the White House gutted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
No wonder the British lost Waterloo, with all their best troops harrasing innocent civilians in America.

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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:27 am

erm.... What??

My history teacher...

For the love of .. !!!

Finding all of my sources crediting your claim, it seems I have my facts wrong. (And I blame my history teacher. Rasputin Reincarnated! I thought you could tell no lie!)

*sigh*

Hats off. *hides*
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