NARNIA. christian propoganda opportunity.

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Could we get this banned from shops by complaining?

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NARNIA. christian propoganda opportunity.

Post by Ragnar » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:17 pm

This is kind of linked with B.E. Girls topic on Harry Potter, and my own on Jerry Springer the Opera. But I think it deserves a link of it's own. So here goes, in summary;

Disney is deliberately promoting this film to the religious - it has appointed Outreach, an evangelical publisher, to promote the Christian message behind the movie in British churches. The Christian radio station Premier is urging churches to hold services on the theme of The Gospel According to Narnia. Even the Methodists have written a special Narnia-themed service. And a Kent parish is giving away £10,000 worth of film tickets to single-parent families. (Are the children of single mothers in special need of the word?)
US born-agains are using the movie. The Mission America Coalition is "inviting church leaders around the country to consider the fantastic ministry opportunity presented by the release of this film"

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Stor ... 59,00.html

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... y=SCANNERS

Scroll down to second story, under the "Pong" article.

See also Brown Eyed Girl "Harry Potter" and Ragnar "Jerry Springer, rubish, rubbished by rubbish", Somber Sky, "New poe...".

Now. I wonder how many of us it would take to complain to get
this one banned from Woolworths and Sainsburys?

Would we have our right to complain protected by those that believe the world should protect their right to complain at H.P and J.S? :laughing3:

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Post by Kystar » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:33 pm

Despite the Christian messages hidden in the Chronicles of Narnia I'm actually VERY fond of the books. They're very well written, and it's hard to see the Christian message unless you're looking for it. Actually, I only caught on to the major one, Aslan returning from the dead after he was killed in Edmond's place.

So, even though it has the potential to be "insulting" to me, I actually wouldn't try to get it banned...because I enjoy it too much. I don't care for hypocrisy...so I wouldn't try to protest something that doesn't offend me personally.
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Post by Ragnar » Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:06 am

Kystar wrote:Despite the Christian messages hidden in the Chronicles of Narnia I'm actually VERY fond of the books. They're very well written, and it's hard to see the Christian message unless you're looking for it. Actually, I only caught on to the major one, Aslan returning from the dead after he was killed in Edmond's place.
I agree with you totally there. Were one of my favourites. Typical, I have been thinking of trying to get them again, but that was a year ago. NOW all of a sudden they are popular. HA!

I refuse to buy anything that is "popular" in case people think one is being "Trendy"... :evil:

I can think of NOTHING more annoying than that
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It does though, show a trend in their thinking. They are the ones that saw the "Gay" in Telletubbies. I presume they are trained to use "all available sources" (as they say in Survival school in the army) to force their message, whilst getting others to pay for it.

How much of the churches funds went to pay for this film. Which they are using in gay abandon (sorry could not resist that :roll:) to now promote their own brand of propaganda?

"So, even though it has the potential to be "insulting" to me, I actually wouldn't try to get it banned..."

Hmmm, probably me to. But....It's PRINICIPAL. :smt036

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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:48 am

I refuse to buy anything that is "popular" in case people think one is being "Trendy"...

I can think of NOTHING more annoying than that
Me too :evil: Which, I'm sorry all of you Harry Potter fans, is why I refused to read the books or see the movies. I'm sorry.
And why I was so angry at LOTR action figures and movies and oracle games because it was my favourite story AND THEY RUINED IT! :cry: No Tom Bombadil! Jackson you should be ashamed of yourself!
Despite the Christian messages hidden in the Chronicles of Narnia I'm actually VERY fond of the books. They're very well written, and it's hard to see the Christian message unless you're looking for it.
I thought it was blatantly obvious :oops: Especially if you read the first one. It's been a long while so forgive me as I can't remember the name or the details. Maybe it's because I was a little christian girl when I was young and trying to find my spiritual path or maybe it's because I should be an English prof and analyse every peice of literary work that comes my way to an extent that should be criminal.

As for getting it banned... Heck: Ya let's go for it! No, no... That's my anger talking and my wanting to get back at these crazy people who ban multicultural dolls... I don't want to be like them. We could just boycott it, though. Yes... The Pagan communities boycotting Narnia. How much could we change the world. "Today Narnia. Tomorrow, the world!"

Sorry... strange mood :oops:
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Post by Ragnar » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:16 am

First was "The lion, the witch, and the wardrobe".

Strange that the mention of "WITCH" has been left out of the film title huh?

It's also full of magic mirrors, and visualisation pools, consulting spirits, and things. Bit like an early Harry Potter if I recall, or a kids "Lord of the rings". Without the recipes.

At least in the later books. IF it's based on ALL of them then ...? But if it's only based on "The final Battle". I seem to remember most of the "magic" there.

Including "comunicating with the dead". Remember? The lion "Aslan" died, and came back for the last battle.

"Voyage of the Dawn treader" was my favourite.

Wonder how they get around magical talking beasts? :scratch:

Perhaps they're going to start a campaign to say WE stole the ideas from THEM. #-o

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Post by Chelle » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:09 pm

Firstly i will say i would not try to ban this as i refuse to sink to the level of some of these complete idiots out there!!! (sorry about that...) :smt076
Secondly, the Harry Potter books are absolutely fantastic and i don't read them just because they are "trendy" but because the writing is fab.. (sorry CHL... not having a go :lol: )
And thirdly, [/quote]But....It's PRINICIPAL.
i do agree with that but still, don't go down that road lol :lol:
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Post by Brown Eyed Girl » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:25 pm

try n tell Christians that you saw a documentary were the guy actually said the lion was himself... not god

lmao

if they ban harry potter i will be mad!! lmao
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Post by Kystar » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:46 pm

There are two "First books"
the first book PUBLISHED was the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe, which, I did see as the subtitle to the movie.

The First book CHRONOLOGICALLY was "The Magician's Nephew" which showed the Birth of Narnia and introduced both Jadiz (the Witch) and Aslan.

I honestly didn't see the lesser Christian references until they were pointed out to me.

Out of all of the books, I actually don't like the Final Battle as much as I like the others.

Forget trendy, forget popular, I read what I want when I want to. I once got accused of liking Phantom of the Opera b/c it was popular. I asked my companion when they first read the book. They looked at me blankly and said "there's a book?" I walked away at that point.

I actually got into some trouble on a LARP board I was part of...the LARP started as being a recreation of the battles of LOTR, grew to include other fantasy and historical elements, then when the movies started coming out, they started pushing to "return to the roots of Dagorhir" in an attempt to get more members...but anyways, they yelled at me because I said that I didn't care for Tolkien. When asked why I was part of the LARP, I told them that I didn't know it had ANYTHING to DO with Tolkien until recently, and that I just liked the game. Shrugs.
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Post by Willow » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:07 pm

wow, great topic.
I love the chronicles of Narnia, I think people are allowed to hate them or love them.
I don't think I could even pick a favourite book.
I also think that everyone has a right to speak out against the book and the movie, whatever makes your point right.

However....
Those *&%[email protected]'s who are giving free tickets to the "poor unwed mothers" can do something very unpleasant with those tickets. I am all for entertaining and providing for those less fortunate, however I don't think that unwed mothers need to be further marginalized by viewing them as especially in need of Evangelism. Oh well.
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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:41 pm

Those *&%[email protected]'s who are giving free tickets to the "poor unwed mothers" can do something very unpleasant with those tickets

=D>

And thanks, Kystar! That was the name I was looking for! The Magician's Nephew! I didn't know The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was published first.
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Post by Kystar » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:13 pm

Yeah, I got into a long discussion about a friend, who thinks they are right to do the movies in published order instead of story-chronology. (we're guessing that's why the first movie is LWW)
I think it's silly, but oh well.

The Chronicles of Narnia (In story chron)
The Magician's Nephew
The LIon, the Witch and the Wardrobe
The Horse and His Boy
Prince Caspian
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Last Battle
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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:54 pm

I think I made it through all of them up until Voyage of the Dawn Treader and halfway through the Silver Chair...
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Post by morgana » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:44 pm

It's too bad that it's being shamelessly promoted as a religious movie or I'd go see it, cuz at first I thought it looked cool, but then I heard that it WAS in fact a Christianity-based movie which instantly made me not wanna see it. If I want a movie about religion I'll stick to Mists of Avalon, lol.
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Post by scoia » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:58 pm

Ragnar wrote: I refuse to buy anything that is "popular" in case people think one is being "Trendy"...
Err, well I think that really defeats the whole point. You're letting others' dictate your tastes if you automatically react aginst something just because it's become popular. A lot of people do that in relation to the music I like, and it sickens me to a point.

I hate commercialisation, but you're an adult, you can seperate the actual content from the "plastic".

And I agree with Kystar on this one. I read the books as a child, and while I recognise that there was a strong christian connection, what impressed me most was the sense of wilderness, magic, nature and the impossible in the books.

From what I've seen of the movie already, it seems to foster those qualities.

And on a personal note, boycotting things like this because of a childish wish to "get back at the fundies" because of their ridiculous complaints is...well, childish. Gets everyone exactly nowhere in the end.

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Post by Kystar » Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:24 pm

morgana wrote:It's too bad that it's being shamelessly promoted as a religious movie or I'd go see it, cuz at first I thought it looked cool, but then I heard that it WAS in fact a Christianity-based movie which instantly made me not wanna see it. If I want a movie about religion I'll stick to Mists of Avalon, lol.
Unless they changed things majorly, you'll probably enjoy it...after all the main premise of the Land of Narnia is it's a place where mythological creatures such as Satyres and Dryads live alongside Talking Beasts. There's magic and myster and murder and Four lost human children trying to figure out WTF is going on! The major characters are a Talking Lion and a WInter WItch!

as I've said before, the Christian themes are so well buried that unless you're LOOKING for them, you won't notice them. Except for Aslan dying for Edmuond and returning from the dead, I can't identify any major Xian themes offhand. Oh, and the whole title Aslan runs around with:
"Son of the Emperor-Across-the-Sea"

Personally, if you're doubtful, find a friend who knows what will irritate you, and have them review it for you after they've seen it. I did this with HP GoF b/c PoA made me EXTREMELY hopping mad.
:angry4: Don't just boycott it without objective information...that's not fair to the actors and artists who worked on it! (As a theatre chick, I can't STAND that...sorry, tangent.)
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