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Post by Galaxy Girl » Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:46 am

If we knew what goes on behind the scenes, it would curl our hair. Voting won't solve anything. Elections are fixed. Media is controlled. Dubya was bound and determined to get re-elected by hook or by crook, and he did.

I'm not worried tho. I think there will be upheavels of such magnitude that this will be the last thing on everyone's mind. Survival will be first and foremost. The time of man's control over this earth is almost at an end.
Grace and kindness create powerful ripples in the world.

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Post by Ragnar » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:48 am

Aye,
I know what you mean. There is even a thread on this very subject in "General chat(?)". "Whats going on" or Whats up" or something similar.
Personaly I have allways hated August for some reason. The "I-Ching" even mention it specifically "The ninth month", which, I believe is August in the Chinese calander. Whatever, it is a symbol rather like "The Tower" in Tarot.
As to what's behind the scenes, you could not even begin to imagine what "Ermitteln Verbotten", means here. Suffice to say a direct translation is "investigation forbidden", used by Government departments to protect thier backs against police investigations of Government or organised crime. Aye, I know, "whats the difference?" I hear you shout. Britain has the same. The "official" line is that it would cost to much for to little return. I believe them. Don't you?

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Post by socialgreen » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:18 pm

I am glad to see a re-newed interest in this topic. I can't say the rule of men will end but there is always new beginnings.
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Post by SWK » Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:58 pm

I motion that we start our own colony in space. :-D ... We could even live on the MOON! o_O you know.. after we build up an eco dome there.. and move all of the supplies up there (water, food, etc)... and you know, get enough money for it...

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Post by Ragnar » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:27 am

...and when someone can build a space transport system that is reliable enough to be able to take off, and perform other obviously abnormal manouvers, without falling apart at the seams.
It took a long time but is it not ironic that the Russians appear to have won the space race? Much more reliable than... mentioning no particular countries space agencys' of course.

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Post by dragonflydrummer » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:13 am

Thing is: I don't believe that behind the scenes -- these people -- Neocons if you will are actually Xtians at all. I think that what they worship is DOMINION (read domination). This is the same force Hitler and all the other megalomaniacs worshipped. They use the Xtian "hook" because they know they'll get their biggest and most unthinking following from that quarter. If they could get the same bang for their buck out of Communism, Satanism, Mormonism, or Scientology -- they would use one of those. For these people The End Justifies The Means. I don't think they really believe in anything beyond the idea that "Might makes Right". They observe no system of ethics nor morals. All of that is in flux.

Stopping them will be a fight. It has always been that way. That is how the common people have ever gained their rights.

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Post by Ragnar » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:41 am

Well said. =D> =D>

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Post by socialgreen » Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:25 pm

social
If more of us valued food and cheer and song
above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Post by Perigee » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:00 am

Okay I only had time to read a tiny bit on that site but this is one of the main quotes that stood out to me
The theocratic right believes that the Puritans created an ideal society, and, following the Puritan model, strive to limit and control human sexuality
Has anyone here read/seen 1984? Rings a bell if you ask me.
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls.
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How everything still turns to gold.
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Post by Perigee » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:10 am

Reading that site makes me wonder that the world would have been better off if the Second World War <i>had</i> been won by Hitler (as he could have done; only a few minor mistakes caused his downfall). Most of the points made in the theocracywatch website concerning policy are strikingly similar to those that Nazism would have instigated, only "in the name of God". However there is one slight difference that in my mind at least Nazism <b>preferable</b> to a theocratic dominion, and that is that one of Nazism's main features was environmentalism; the Reich would have outlawed vivisection, animal cruelty, animal testing, nuclear power and plenty of other environmental anathemae.

Cold comfort perhaps, but personally I beleive the world is bigger than the human race, and that the Earth and the universe does not exist for our specie's benefit (Yes i read K-PAX). No doubt such a point of view would have these theocratic looneys yelling "blasphemy" or trying to exorcise me or something. But wasnt there something in the Bible about the humble inheriting the Earth?
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The truth will come to you at last.

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Post by Ragnar » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:33 am

Pedigree, "in my mind at least Nazism preferable".

I do not think I like the way your mind is working. Are you trying to say you are a nazi supporter. If so, then I think you have found the wrong web site. If not I appologise. But your statements need qualifying. AT ONCE!

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Post by scoia » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:22 pm

Just to put in my 2 cents, I don't think he's saying he's a supporter of the nazis. Just that comparitively, a nazi state is preferable over a hard line right wind theocracy.

However, I disagree with you on that one as well. I think your suppositions about the Nazis environmental regime are overestimated to say the least. And remember that the party you're talking about existed in the 30's. A lot has changed since then.
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Then they laught at you.
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Then you win.
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Post by Librarian » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:28 pm

Perigee wrote:Reading that site makes me wonder that the world would have been better off if the Second World War <i>had</i> been won by Hitler (as he could have done; only a few minor mistakes caused his downfall).
Apparently your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.

EVERYTHING in a totalitarian state is geared toward supporting the state. Period. The citizenry is an afterthought.

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Post by Ragnar » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:48 pm

Scoia " a nazi state is preferable over a hard line right wind theocracy." What's the difference? I do not care which book they read, or what thier leader calls it'self, its still nazi trash.

Pedigree wrote
""the Reich would have outlawed vivisection, animal cruelty, animal testing,""

There is a difference between banning something, and it becoming redundant. Who needs vivisection, animal cruelty, animal testing, when you still have a few Jews, Gypsies, or Pagans left?

""one of Nazism's main features was environmentalism""

Yes the environment is much sweeter without all those pesky Jews, Gypsies and Pagans clutering it up, isn't it?
(Hitler didnt kill Pagans? See German Rune Guild in Edred Thorrssons "Futhark"). Another "main feature of "naziism" is that it was "Socialist". Believe that as well do we?

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Post by Perigee » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:24 pm

Once again, I find people overreacting to passing comments (historically incorrect as they may have been). Im not exactly a Nazi supporter but I would sooner die for a tangible human being than be sacrificed for what a Theocratic politician says is ineffible, although I dont want to draw attention to that. Moreover, there were various aspects of Nazism that strike me as being (ahem) "correct" if slightly misguided - particularly in light of what I read on theocracywatch.com. That is what I was trying to convey in my other post.
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The truth will come to you at last.

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