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Post by socialgreen » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:36 am

Hi all,

I am alive and well for those concerned. Here is an interesting website that I thought would go here nicely though it could also be included in th e political section.

www.theocracywatch.org
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Re: interesting Site

Post by Librarian » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:28 pm

socialgreen wrote:Hi all,

I am alive and well for those concerned.
Woohoo! :partyman:

And thanks for the site recommendation.

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Post by Stormy » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:55 pm

I started reading through that site and it scared the living daylights out of me AND it made me furious that our country is being taken over by such radicals! What are they going to do when they get all the laws changed to give them the "power of the law of God" - kill every Jew, Buddist, Hindu, Wiccan and Pagan in the United States? This is SCAREY stuff people, we all need to DO something before it is too late. I think a lot of us are sitting back on our butts thinking - "oh, they'll never get away with it, we have the constitution and the people of the United States will never put up with such nonsense" - but it seems that the constitution is one of the things these radicals are attacking and so far the people of the United States have been too apathetic to do anything to stop them yet.
Remember Germany and some dude called Hitler? The German people didn't see it coming until it was too late - let's not end up in the same boat.

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Post by Lotus » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:15 am

its depressing

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Post by socialgreen » Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:22 am

I wrote several years ago that I was seeing evidence that Biblical Prophecy and trying to bring about the Second coming of X was being artifically implemented. Of course, I was made fun of for that statement but upon coming accross this website I realized I was very correct. I remember years ago when Pat Robertson would spout off about Xtian being in Government. I had no idea that Dominion Theology existed. I don't think this is common knowledge yet. I spent 12 years as a Xtian and I did not know anything about this except for moral issues which always concerns Fundies. I had no idea that Faith based schools and school vouchers were birthed by Dominion Theologists. I had no idea that Dominion Theologist birth the concept that would turn over all social programs over to religious institutions. I had no idea that these people want to harm our Mother Earth by overturning enviromental laws. I had no idea that these people want to harm women by making them subjective to men and not alowed choice.

Now I really know why that anyone who disagrees with the Far Right are labeled Liberal or Socialist. You better believe that they are in control of the news media whether it is Fox News, Clear Channel or Premier Radio.
I knew we were in trouble folks but I did not know how far until now. Shrub himself meets with these people and I am sure he is going to appoint some of them into his administration. :-x
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Post by Stormy » Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:33 am

Which is all the more reason why we ALL have to make as many aware of this as possible and we ALL HAVE TO get out there and vote in every election in order to vote out these maniacs.

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Post by socialgreen » Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:06 am

I guess this is one of the reasons that people are heading to Canada because they know we are well on the road to a Theocracy. Problem is Stormy that too many people have swollowed hook, line and sinker the Far Right's propaganda and agenda.
One of the classic works of sociology, Max Weber's -- Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, links the rise of Calvinism to the needs of budding capitalists to judge their own economic success as a sign of their preordained salvation. The rising popularity of Calvinism coincided with the consolidation of the capitalist economic system. Calvinists justified their accumulation of wealth, even at the expense of others, on the grounds that they were somehow destined to prosper.
I just took this from the site. I never read Max Weber but this little bit of info made me realize where the Prosperity Gospel came from. Calvinism=Capitalism. No wonder Shrub cut overtime pay for 6 million workers. Outsource jobs to foriegn countries. Cut needed health care for people. Huge tax cuts for the wealthy. These people are going to make their fortunes from our labor because they think they are favored. No wonder Karl Marx came along. Though I am no ideologist I made a decision to join a certain political party after the election.

However, there is a movement to unite all the Third Parties into pooling their resources into two agreed upon canidates in 2008 to break the Duopoly. Hopefully this will bring back the democratic institution that was once our government. I will keep everyone posted on this and if a website is created I will let you all know.
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Post by Stormy » Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:15 pm

Check out this information - if Christianity is on the decline, then how is this small radical group getting control and effectively changing policies in our government? Through apathy of the population, covertly operating, and the fact that because of their "sneakiness" most people don't know about what is going on. I've said it already but I'll say it again - those are all the same ways that Hilter managed to get his Nazis into power and in control - when the people realized what had happened it was too late. I may seem like I am over reacting, but I would rather over react and stop this in it's tracks than get overtaken by surprise.

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Post by fatale » Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:24 pm

Stormy wrote:I've said it already but I'll say it again - those are all the same ways that Hilter managed to get his Nazis into power and in control - when the people realized what had happened it was too late. I may seem like I am over reacting, but I would rather over react and stop this in it's tracks than get overtaken by surprise.
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I do not think you are over reacting, there are many similarities - Patriot Act - to begin with.
There are also similarities with communist russia: I grew up in east germany - former socialist country - and many of the things happening in US now, remind me of the east german system. Secret informants, FCC, changes in school programs (in favor of the Christian religion and against all scientific research) Freedom of speech is horribly abused by organizations like KKK and the porn industry and it does not really protect true points of view anymore. I'm scarred, but lately, when I state my concerns I hear: if you don't like it here, just go back to Germany! Ignorance is a bliss!

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Post by socialgreen » Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:06 am

Stormy Wrote
if Christianity is on the decline, then how is this small radical group getting control and effectively changing policies in our government? Through apathy of the population, covertly operating, and the fact that because of their "sneakiness" most people don't know about what is going on.
I have no doubt that Xtianity is on the decline but these people still out number pagans. This radical group is not small as you think. The concept of these people was to bridge their political beliefs accross the differing sects of Xtianity. Setting aside their doctrinal differences they formed The Chistian Coalition and other groups. I have seen this first hand because when I attended a Bible Church the Chistian Coalition was there. These people are financialy back by wealthy capitalist who have a lot to gain from their efforts. These people want to create a Taliban type state where scripture, rather than the Constitution, rule the land.

The people of the U.S are not aware of the goings on because they are covert and sneaky. The Neocon's, for that is what they are, have an extensive propaganda machine as I mentioned before and a lot of American people eat up every word of Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, et al.

The Pagan community is divided on political issues and such. However, there is a lesson that we should learn from these Neocon. To have a purpose and a plan and to set aside political differences. We have to elect Congress men and women and Senators who are not Dems or Repub. The same goes for local and State governments. Get involved with the Greens or any other enviromentally friendly political orgs. Do not get an idelogical mindset because it can stall any grassrooot movement.
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Post by Willow » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:26 pm

Wow,
that is some crazy stuf. Unfortunately the extreme religious right is big and growing in some parts of canada here. It has been called the post modern reaction where people are loning for black and white answers rather than relativity. I think there is more too it than that but with crap like that going on in the world it is hard to still label myself a Christain.
Mind you, 90% of Christians wouldn't think I am one anyway because I commune with nature and *gasp* meditate.
Oh well, this isn't the time and place to complain about that little issue.
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Post by forgotten oceans » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:22 pm

I don't blame you Fatale, my hubby and I are soon to leave for Japan, hopefully in the next 5 years! Japans grass looks way greener, literally, well, what grass they have...... Hey! I have an idea! Let's establish 'The League of Political Crazies Assassinaters' aka 'The League of Leftys'. And to really make it fun, all of our members have to pull the trigger with their left hand :snipe: Just a thought.....of course now I'm getting just as crazy as the fundies :-( But I don't think being passivist is gonna work any more, it's like they're just walking all over us.....
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Post by scoia » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:46 pm

I've been hearing a lot from xtians in Autralia at the moment about how their religion is dying out.

I kind of agree. I feel that there's an insurge of false xtians in power at the moment- people who manipulate the xtian texts and structures to satisfy their own capitalist greed. I'm no huge advocate of xtianity, but these people are not really following the xtian path. How is their hatefilled propaganda reminiscent of Jesus' teachings?

What the **** happened to xtian humility? NO, the real religion may be in decline, but these nutjob rightwing conservatives are building a new structre, an organisation based on capitalism, hate and opression. And they're doing it with OUR governments, in "God's" name.

You're not overreacting Stormy. I feel at the moment that it's the duty of American citizens to take stock and assess whether they're happy with how their government is portraying them. Happy with what's being done in your name. I don't have anything against the American people, but I sure do have something aginst the right wing conservatives in power. (And the same goes for the Aus gov. too of course)

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Post by Raven » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:03 am

I still like that old quote, I forget who said it but I heard it here:

(I know I'm not getting this exactly right)

"If they choose to take away my first ammendment rights then they will soon find themselves coming to terms with my second ammendment rights"
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Post by Ragnar » Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:18 am

A lot of the problems we face here is that most people, us excepted, tend to think of christianity as "Old vicar Brown" cycling through a sunny English village on the way to tea and cakes and discussing the flowers for Sunday with the local W.I. (Womens Institute). They just refuse to listen to any other view, even when it is the view of christians themselves, i.e the right fundies. They seem to think it is all just propaganda, and that the christian right are a small band of well meaning, if slightly missguided, enthusiasts.
You just can not get through to these sort of people, the head buriers. To soft in the head to believe bad of any one.
You try and tell any one and you come out of it sounding like a "conspiracy theorist". What to do? I have now answer, it is just frustrating, as well as dangerous.

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