Getting rid of a Spirit

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Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by underlilith » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:06 pm

Ok, I have a friend who has a spirit in her room. It takes the form of a shadow and will wake her up in the middle of the night and she wont be able to go back to sleep. It is a mischievous spirit and hides her keys (usually in plain sight though) #-o . It hasnt hurt anything but is very annoying. Is there anything that you know of that can be done. I'm not an expert on banishing, which is why i'm asking :roll: .

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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:12 pm

My method is to set up protection around myself (and any others, including animals, in the home) and call in my Guides and/or angels to escort these beings to where they need to go. If they are a spirit in need of help, I'll do the Psychopomp work and lead them there, which, unless you're skilled there, I would not suggest. If they're just wanting to mess with my space or my energy or loved ones, I don't give them the added energy. I just call in the highest of the high, and they are gone. I used to give them fair warning - "Leave or I will call in the highest of the high to escort you out."

That is my method, and I am confidant in its effectiveness for my own self. I am unsure of what would be best for you. You have to be able to let the spirit go - sometimes they attach and when you're calling in your guides to get them out, they can't, because you're still hanging on.

Or, you know, you could do a whole cleansing of space ritual, which helps put the power there and helps release as well. Then set up boundaries. Smudging is great. Make sure you state your intentions for your guides to escort that being to where it needs to be (the other side, in most cases), and then smudge thoroughly, stating with power and conviction that this space is cleansed of all negative energies and entities, and only the highest of the high may enter here. Play with the wording, but that's the gist. This is very good for those who don't work with spirits that often. But really, behind every entity is a high spiritual being ready to take it away. You've got support.
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by ImMappaM » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:32 pm

Namaste

You need to try and figure out why the spirit is there first.

Was a ritual done, inviting spirits and then at the end of the ritual, no one told them they could leave? This happens especially with those that are not experienced with working with spirits. Circles opened and never closed, calling corners or entities by name and then not thanking them and bidding them leave.
In this case, by simply closing the circle or thanking the entity for participating and bidding them leave, releases them from their bond to you or the place and that's the end of it.

If an entity is specific to a person without being invited to begin with, they are trying to get someone's attention. Those that are freer to recieve energies while asleep, but not practiced at interaction at this time, are often wakened by the attempt of the energy to contact them. In this state energies often appear as a shadow because the acceptance and interaction has not been completed. Here, the attempt should be made to contact the energy within a sacred space. Asking what the energy wants of the one they are bothering is a reasonable request and most often answered. Also after the contact, they can be asked to leave and again, often comply.

Entities/energies do not go around bothering ppl for no reason. So finding out why is the best way to handle it, then you have the proper way of eliminating the situation.

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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by underlilith » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:31 pm

no, the people who had the house before were druggies and one of them killed himself in my friends room.
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:54 pm

ImMappaM wrote:Entities/energies do not go around bothering ppl for no reason.
In the same way that no one is ever beaten without a reason. Sometimes, they just like to create chaos. I completely agree that there are many times when a spirit is needing resolution or help. That's what a psychopomp is for. However, sometimes there are just energies and entities that like to create negative things. It's a complex world of self-feeding masochism and negativity as reflection of light.

One thing I would also really like to put out there, for whenever dealing with spirits, bolded, because I feel it's that important:

"Speak of the devil, and he shall appear."

The more attention and energy you give a negatively reacting spirit, or negative part of a person acting as a spirit, the bigger it gets, and also, the more like beings come. Keep that in mind. That is why I do not go through the whole process of finding out their purpose, etc etc. If they are there for a reason other than to pi** me off, I know pretty quickly, and I'll do what is needed. Otherwise, skedaddle. They get sent to a gate to where they need to go to be healed, but I'm not putting my energy into that kind of vibration.

My advice is, if you're not literate enough in the world of spirits to know what to do when there's one there, let the Guides take care of it, until you are. I don't mean that in an offensive way. I mean it in a very matter-of-fact way. And I'm not trying to say I'm the guru on this. I've just worked with spirits for most of my life. I'm also not trying to say that Mappa is wrong, just that there is another side to consider.
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by ImMappaM » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:50 pm

Namaste

"Sometimes, they just like to create chaos." Although there are entities out there that do indeed aim for chaos without regard to particular reason but only for chaos itself, for there is a reason that they are doing it in a specific place or with a specific person. As In this case, where it is one person in the home that is being annoyed, and not the other. Randomized pestering and trickery or the like, without regard to who, what or where I don't believe to be possible. Of course that's my opinion. And in taking that one step farther, if there were such an entity, and you were in some way successful in ridding yourself of its behavior, you would just be scooting it on to someone else for that entity to raise havic with. That would seem very unlikely since all energy is purposeful for a specific intent. Again, just my opinion.

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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:51 pm

ImMappaM wrote: if there were such an entity, and you were in some way successful in ridding yourself of its behavior, you would just be scooting it on to someone else for that entity to raise havic with.
I am not sure I understand. Do you mean if someone were to haphazardly scoot it out of their home with no intention of something happening with it? You can't just banish a spirit and hope it goes somewhere nice. That's why I say have the guides escort it out or, if you're skilled in that area, escort them yourself.

FINALLY some spiritual talk around here! LOL Thanks, my dear, for this lovely conversation.
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by ImMappaM » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:25 am

Namaste

Thank you for asking, I guess I didn't make myself very clear.

First let me say that I don't believe that there are entities out there who without direction or intent of purpose, haphazardly go about, creating chaos in our lives.

I do believe there are entities who, if given the direction or brought forth even for other purposes, or practices, have the ability to decieve, harrass and create even in general terms forms of chaos.

As for what I said in your quote of mine, if there was such an entity (again I don't believe there is) that randomly went about being abnoxious, harassing and mischievious, to whomever came along, not being sent by anyone, not being envoked by anyone but was curiously drifting with no direction (which I don't believe to be possible either) that it would make sense in this case, that should you be able to repell its attentions, that it would continue those mischievious events to the next person that came along or it ran into.
This would be like a virus that when you coughed, left your body but the next body it came across, it attached itself to it and this just keeps going on and on.

Again, I don't believe that it is possible to have an entity like this. But yet, I do believe that there are mischievious entities and that they do their thing with a purpose or by direction of another or when called and left without direction so as to get the attention of those that can release it from being called.

I hope that's clear.

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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Kystar » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:50 am

I think I finally need to put my two cents into this pot.

There's a difference between and "Entity" and a "spirit"...in my experience. Since I've been sensitive to spirits and entities since basically birth, I have a range of experience dealing with things.

An Entity has never held true physical form, of if they did, have evolved past that memory (as I believe humans can become guardians through "enlightenment"...but that's another discussion). They are the guides and guardians, who DO have purpose and have never strayed from that purpose. If THEY become obnoxious, it's because you didn't follow through with something...either closing a ritual properly, or an offering you promised in prayer and didn't deliver. Or, if they're a guide, they see you doing something self-destructive and are trying to bring it to your attention.

Spirits, well, spirits can be a totally different matter. Have you ever heard of a poltergeist? A spirit that seems to exist simply to be annoying? Or haunts that use irritating methods to get someone's attention. Spirits can either be ghosts or things from other planes that have no purpose beyond figuring out what the F*** happened to them so they can move on.

If you can confirm through public record (I'm sure you can find a way) that someone killed themselves in that house, you might very well have a spirit that's basically lost b/c the person ended their life while under the influence.

The first thing I would do, personally, is confirm the person's name...and call it out, as full as their name as you can get...and ask the spirit that if they once answered to that name, make a noise. (Have a recorder running...you might get more answers that way.) If you want to be really thorough, read a copy of their obituary out loud in the room. Tell them that you're sorry, but this isn't their space any longer...that they have to go...they are no longer of the physical. They need to find their next world, their next adventure.

I've done something similar with the spirit of a little girl who wandered around my house when I was a child...I lead her to the graveyard and showed her the tombstone with her name on it. The lost ones might not understand what happened...and thus they linger.

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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Kitsune » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:17 am

ImMappaM wrote:Namaste
As for what I said in your quote of mine, if there was such an entity (again I don't believe there is) that randomly went about being abnoxious, harassing and mischievious, to whomever came along, not being sent by anyone, not being envoked by anyone but was curiously drifting with no direction (which I don't believe to be possible either) that it would make sense in this case, that should you be able to repell its attentions, that it would continue those mischievious events to the next person that came along or it ran into.
This would be like a virus that when you coughed, left your body but the next body it came across, it attached itself to it and this just keeps going on and on.
Nope, I have to disagree there... My Grimwell has one. Usually it just sticks to him (or occasionally me, sometimes) and enjoys stealing stuff. Personally, ask the spirit for the keys back... Usually, you'll find them a few moments later so long as the spirit is amiable.

However, I definitely agree with Kystar, there are differences between spirits and entities. While some entities can simply enjoy causing trouble (like Grimwell Gremlin) they are usually just looking for attention... much like a kitten that has grown bored, he will attempt to create chaos and wake you up in an effort to avoid boredom. I don't think it's right at all to give these entities new directions. How is it right to do it to spirits who are irritating you if it's not all right to do it to people who are doing the same? It's taking away free will.

I'll step off the soapbox now... :oops:

My advice would be to talk to it (preferably in a sacred space for protection) and find out why it's bothering you. Is it a "lost kitty" or a guide that you've been ignoring? Or is it a deceased soul who's rather unhappy that you're living in his room, because he doesn't yet understand that he's dead?

Speaking with them will usually not only get you more information, but gain you experience in this area as well, and if it still refuses to listen afterwards, then we (or your guides) can help advise you on a variety of ways to get rid of it (since spirits and entity's won't respond to the same banishments most times).

Keep us updated, since I for one want to see where this goes. I agree with Crazy... It's great to see some real spiritual talk on here... the last few tries haven't gone anywhere! \:D/ :axe:
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:48 pm

Oooo, the unseely court of spirits and ghouls!

In my experience - and remember that experience is subjective - there are a variety of "levels" of beings. I have on countless occasions pulled "nasties" out of people. Basically, they are like parasites. Some are mindless, some are more like demons. These are either created in the person's emotional turmoil or latch on because they sense a weakness, and start sucking. There are also dense energies that can seem to take on a personality, and yet are only a) memories or b) turmoil needing to be expressed and healed, aka a wound.

There are the spirits of the dead, and the memories of the dead, more like an energy than a spirit, and I find this is often what "haunts" more than the actual spirit, especially when given attention and energy. The wounded memories become its own entity, so to speak. The spirits of the dead are what you would be talking about, Mappa, whereas I am talking more of the energies, the not-fully-conscious beings that create disharmony because they were born of it, and are made of it.

You have your elementals, fae and such. Powerful beings like the Directions, the Land Sky and Sea, your power animals and totem animals, and then also your Guides and Angels, and Archetypes, and Gods and Goddesses, and then the vein that flows through them all.

That is how it appears in my experience. If you want to go to the reverse of the scale we could bring up demons and vicious things. And yet all of these are fluid. The world of spirit is much less, um, solid. I've had my guides show up as the gods and goddesses, but also as animals. Rarely, they will show up as darker beings, and that is often Heyokah work, but you can sense the love beneath it, so the mask is not fully on.

This is the world of Spirit as I see it, quite literally.
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by ImMappaM » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:41 am

Namaste

I see that we have a variety of opinions on the subject and I do understand your points of view. Though I remain with my statement of understanding, I don't begrudge others their own, and frankly welcome it for further study. It is often through our differences that we grow the most when we are open to the possibilities. I needed to remind myself of that. Again thank you for sharing your points of view.

I don't want it to appear that I am just ignoring you or because there are differences I am evading the issue. On the contrary, I've copied your responses so that I can further look into it all. However since at this time we are kind of at a stand off in opinion, it really would just be arguing for me to continue it with more of the same.

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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:07 am

Aw :( We lost one on this. Mappa, this has been great fun! Remember what I said: Experience is subjective. And since all we know about the world is based on experience.... ;)

C'mon guys! Let's keep up the spiritual threads! Gen. Chat is great, but, this is the Pagan Library! Are we too afraid of divulging secrets to de Fluffies?
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by Kitsune » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:30 pm

If you don't mind waiting until I'm more awake (most likely on Saturday, after I've had a chance to sleep in :roll: ) I would love to put up a response to what I saw here... even though no one really responded to mine. :oops:

That's alright, you two have given me lots to go over! I do love this sort of conversation... The others are probally just holding back to see what we come up with first, Crazy! :-D
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Re: Getting rid of a Spirit

Post by FyreGarnet » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:43 pm

I have no experience with spirits. So I'm just lurking and reading.

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