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All Newbies Please Read This
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:39 am
This is a very good paragraph of information I found. I wanted to share and anybody may comment on what they think.
It came from Ray Malbrough, author of Charms, Spells & Formulas 1986
It can take an individual from one to four years to really learn how to practice natural magick. For the first year of training the student's primary concern should be their own spiritual development throught meditation and daily devotion. The student must also learn how to pray. There is no such thing as opening a spell book to page 63 and your problems are instantly over. Anyone who believes this is suffering from delusions and lacking wisdom. For wisdom is the stripping away of all delusions, whether self-induced or through the influence of others. Books give knowledge and books give inspiration, but books alone do not give a person power. Power only comes through the persistent struggle in one's life for spiritual development.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:18 am
Well, it's certainly an interesting statement. All the more so since I own the book, and have somehow managed to miss this paragraph entirely. Obviously, though, the excerpt has it's merit. You can't expect to perform brain surgery just because you've read a medical text, or perform a Catholic Mass just because you've been to a few, so why should magick be any different? In my view, the difference between knowledge and wisdom has always been bridged by experience; experience tells you how much you actually do know and what you are capable of. I'm just surprised at the time frame. In everything else I've studied, four years is just enough time to show me exactly how much I don't know, which always seems to exceed that which I do. As for the rest, a year of meditation seems about right. You have to attune yourself to a whole new way of thinking, a reality outside what you thought you knew, and to do that you must first come to terms with exactly who you are.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:18 am
A year at least...the longer I do this the less I think I know.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:14 pm
Well, I know that I need to learn how to communicate more eloquently. Because no matter how many times I say it no one understands me, thank you wbdsgnr. =D> Maybe now the message is clear.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:01 pm
I would agree with Debbrah there, 20+ years of craft/esoteric study and I still feel like a newbie sometimes.... A person must enjoy discovery as well as headaches when puzzles are more complex than first realized... Also a person must be willing to re-assess their Paradigm about once a year, otherwise progress is not seen very much... Only when you look back into the past can you see how far you have come... Then, and only then, you can see how far you have yet to go before you understand everything... its a LONG road...
Four years to practice effectivly I can believe, a lifetime to master.... If you are very lucky and live to be 100+ years old and start young.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:29 am
You are very welcome, and I can't take credit for the words as they aren't mine but just for finding them and applying them here. I thought it seemed fitting.
I still think of myself as a newbie too (seriously, I am, I have 1 yr under my belt)
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 3:35 pm
Being we already had a spot here saying please read I wanted to say something:
Although we haven't had any problems lately, I would like to remind all new users that we frown on multiple posting. This is when you take the same post and put it in several different topic areas. This really gets on our nerves because we have to figure out which of the multiples to keep and where to put it, so if you would please refrain from it, it will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Sorry about my blah di blah in the middle of a good chat.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:01 pm
ya Honey your mucking up my nice thing at the top!!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:39 pm
Thanks for sharing this wisdom in the newbie section; it sets a very thoughtful tone that I hope I find continued in all of the postings at this site.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:11 pm
Et voila! The seeds of wisdom are planted! =D>
Inan wrote:I'm just surprised at the time frame. In everything else I've studied, four years is just enough time to show me exactly how much I don't know, which always seems to exceed that which I do.
Hello-Bright Blessings to All
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:26 pm
A very interesting paragraph. But I think a year is just the starting point , everyday is another page of learning. Life is like a book and turning the page is worth living and learning.
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:00 am
WOW! Good to know that i'm doing it right! =D> =D> =D>
thought i was just being really slow and cautious,but i guess i'm doing ok.
ok let me explain, about a year ago some thing's were happening in my life, and i had this hollowness inside of me, which some how drew me into a book shop... (trust me i never go in book shop's), to the mind , body and spirit section, and to this book... The Witches Bible. AND SINCE THEN IV'E BEEN READING BOOK'S, LEARNING ABOUT THE CRAFT, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS MUCH AS I CAN. I FEEL I'M DOING WELL, I KNOW QUITE A BIT NOW, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT MYSELF. AND IT'S SO REASURRING TO KNOW THAT I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:46 am
glad that paragraph could help ya, and i too own The Witches Bible. Good book with good information but too coven oriented for me. There are tons of good books out there and websites. And believe me i have only been studying a year and i have learned probably the most valuable stuff from this site and all the nice people who visit it and share their years of wisdom.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:25 pm
For the first year of training the student's primary concern should be their own spiritual development throught meditation and daily devotion. The student must also learn how to pray.
I find that great advice and a help for me. Take it slow socialgreen, relax, learn to meditate...is prayer simular to what I used to do as a Christian? If I answered my own question would it be like talking to the god and goddess instead?
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:46 pm
A lot of witches think of spells as focused prayer with tools. But we know you don't need tools, just your heart, mind and soul and body.
You dont have to fold your hands or kneel beside your bed or go to church to pray to the Lord and Lady. You can speak outloud or just say stuff in your head.
It doesn't have to be a pre-written prayer either.
Even if all you can do is say "Hi Mom and Dad, i had a bad day and i needed to talk......"
almost like you would to your real parents.
Or do it any way you are comfortable with.
glad the quote could help you