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The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:07 am
by Kitsune
Just thought you guys might like to know! :-D
While Dan Halloran isn’t the first openly Pagan candidate running for political office, he may be the first to actually have a shot at winning. Halloran, who is running as an “independent” Republican against Democrat Kevin Kim for a seat on the New York City Council, was recently outed as a prominent Theodsman by the Queens Tribune.
http://wildhunt.org/blog/2009/09/the-th ... ct-19.html

And does anyone actually know what a "Theodsman" is? Perhaps its living in Canada's Bible Belt, but I've never heard of the term before (Yes, I could look it up on Google, but where's the fun in discussion then :lol: ).

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:01 pm
by white_harmony
I say it's an American thing :lol: Never heard of it here either lol

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:21 pm
by Dark Waters
The article says it is something from Norse/Germanic so let's see if Ragnar chimes in on it.

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:09 am
by Ragnar
Never bloody heard of it. Not uinder THAT name any way, but I found this;
Lets start with the similarities. Worship the gods and goddess of the Aesir and Vanir, perform rituals where some sort of material offering is given to the gods (mead, grain, incense etc), honors ancestors and heros of the folk, honors deed done by modern heathens that are of note, study "lore" to gain a better knowledge of our ancestors and how to properly worship the gods and quite a few more.

There are charicteristics of note in Theodism which are typically NOT true of Asatru: sacral lordship, hierarchal tribal structure, thew (custom) as the basis of ritual practice ethics etc, the lengthy period of labor and learning prior to being accepted as a full member of a theod- normally referred to as "thralldom" and the practice of animal sacrifice.

The main difference is in how theodsmen approach Germanic heathen religiosity as a community rather than a group of individuals that all worship the gods. In Asatru you can have an individual Asatruar that is not part of any group and worships entirely on their own. There is no such thing as a solitary Theodsman. If you aren't part of a theod (tribe) then you aren't a theodsman (tribesman). One may follow Theodish thew (custom) but is not a theodsman.

Theodism is at its core a communal religion. When we do a rite it is a form of communication with the gods. The folk in a theod bind ourselves to one another in various ways; by oath, giving of gifts etc. We gather together in order to do a faining or blot; we are communicating various things to the gods like love, respect, giving of sacrifices etc. In Theodism, the theod as a whole sends a single "message" to the gods in the form of a ritual. The gods in turn impart their gifts to us as a whole unit. In Asatru, ritual is designed to allow each individual send their own personal "message" to the gods. So the difference becomes most clear in ritual practice. In an Asatru "blot" there is lets say 20 people who each say something over the horn and thus sending twenty different messages to the gods. Each individual is of equal status and their communication to the gods seen as being just as good as any other and everyone in the group having a turn.

In Theodish ritual, there is one person of the highest status within the Theod (usually, the lord of the Theod or a priest), representing the whole, performing the ritual, usually in an old language (Anglo-Saxon for example) and giving sacrifices on behalf of the entire theod (tribe), thus sending one message.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 523AA1OaCQ
Old English: "tribal belief"
Initially, Theodism referred solely to Anglo-Saxon polytheism, the religion of the Anglo-Saxons which had settled in England
In general, Théodish religious festivities are referred to as 'fainings' (meaning 'celebration')
ritual
Now, however, the term Theodism encompasses Norman, Angle, Continental Saxon, Frisian, Jutish, Gothic, Alemannic, Swedish, Danish and other tribal variants. Þéodisc is the adjective of þéod "people, tribe", cognate to deutsch
Reconstructionist beliefs are based on cultural and historical authenticity

http://en.factolex.com/Theodsman
I must look further into this. Sounds interesting.

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:39 pm
by Kitsune
It does sound quite interesting. From what I've heard, his party didn't dump him either. He's still in the running, and quite a few members in the tribe have come forward and said that they wouldn't support the party if he wasn't there man anymore, but even from the Christians and more mainstreams guys in the party, have simply said that they wouldn't think of replacing him.

He must be really Charismatic or something! If I hear anything about him winning I'll put it up on here! :-D

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:49 pm
by Ragnar
Ayer lass. Keep us updated. As I said, Interesting.

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:28 pm
by Kitsune
Will do! :-D

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:49 pm
by Kitsune
By the Gods, I said I'd keep you updated... ](*,) #-o

http://wildhunt.org/blog/2009/10/hallor ... n-god.html
Whatever Halloran’s actual beliefs are at this point, he needs to be clear about them. Misdirection or invocations of family history, however noble, won’t erase the questions people have. Will perceived political necessities make someone who once openly advocated for Pagan rights keep quiet?

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:45 pm
by Ragnar
I think the comments are mostly more revealing than the article. This being an example.

HOW can Haloran be said to be "hedging around his faith"? He seems pretty damn open about it to me.

I am also surprised that the normal Proffessional Pagan haters have not reared their ugly heads. The comments appear to go from mildly supportive to mildy questioning, but, as yet, no vitriol either way.

That may be a good sign. But wait and see what happens if he actualy gets into spitting distance of winning.

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:10 pm
by Kitsune
And this will probably be the last update on this subject for a while, but you never know, right?

http://wildhunt.org/blog/2009/11/dan-ha ... loses.html
It looks like a split decision last night in the battle of the Pagan candidates, resulting in a historic win for Republican candidate Dan Halloran. In a very close race Halloran defeated his Democratic opponent by a margin of 1300 votes to become the next New York City Councilman for District 19. This is a dramatic win for the beleaguered Theodsman, and his victory represents a dramatic first for modern Paganism, the first openly Pagan/Heathen candidate to gain an important political office.
Yep... America has moved far enough forward that they've now elected a pagan to office! in the sarcastic words of Steven Thrasher of the Village Voice, "By Odin’s beard, his magic must be strong!"

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:30 pm
by Ragnar
:wav: :headbang:

Hmm, but OTHER than that, is he any GOOD?

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:41 am
by Ragnar
First spam of 2011 delted.
:roll: :lol:

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:47 am
by Librarian
Ragnar wrote:First spam of 2011 delted.
:roll: :lol:
And the account has been deleted.

Re: The Theodish Republican Running in NYC District 19

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:16 pm
by Ragnar
Oops, sorry. Forgot. :roll: