Judge Rules that parents can't teach their child Wicca.

Now here's something to get steamed up about.
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Post by Lotus » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:32 pm

I'm starting to think that all the news out about a culture war is true. I questioned for a long time if the sky was really falling on this issue and more and more I see; I am disturbed.

Some christians are threatened by the very existence of pagans because It questions their shakey beliefs.
I'm tired of fear.
Tired of those who are afraid causing me to fear.

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Post by Ragnar » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:22 pm

Aye, and web sites like this are an important tool in keeping an eye on the temprature, and on each others backs.
Constant vigilance is always good.
I, personally, have learned more about "fundies" than a thousand "news reports" would ever tell you, and, I feel, much more trustworthy.

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whew...

Post by dragonflydrummer » Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:44 pm

Kystar said:
This Witch and her Druid aren't going to hide who they are for social conformity! I never did it before, I won't do it now.
Right On, Ky ! :supz:


Ragnar recounted:
When my Sister told him he went purple in the face and, barely controlling his anger said "I'm christian, we do not want any of that Pagan superstitious nonsense in this school, you will not be allowed the class room" and stormed off. In a letter to the local authorities, my Sister pointed out that Hindus were also Pagan, but to no avail. The authorities just replied that it was up to the head teacher, and they could not get involved.
That sounds like some seriously prejudicial stuff. Also the run-around with the 5,000 pounds for a barrister to determine whether you had a complaint is pure -- uh -- bull-puckey (heh heh). That's the Xtian way for you though -- one small-minded dude with power makes a bad determination, and all of xtiandom backs him up. Wouldn't want to "buck" the system -- what with being good sheep and all...

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Post by Kystar » Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:50 am

Thanks.
I'm not going to lie to make my family feel better. If they can't be comfortable with what I believe, then don't come to the ceremony.

I guess years of being an outcast at school kind of helps in these situations.

My best religious subject quote ever was in High School...civics class. Someone made a comment about how those freaky cults that call themselves religion ought to be banned...and I said that I'm not christian (at the time I wasn't anything) and I have a First Amendment right to believe what I want, and if he wanted to try and take away my First Amendment right, he'd come face-to-face with my SECOND Amendment Right. :smt066

My teacher didn't like the threat in that statement, but pointed out that I had the right idea as to why there WAS a second Amendment...to ensure that people could protect their rights by force if nothing else works.

(Looking at an old post, I realize that this kid I'm talking about made a lot of cracks that got him a similar response to me!)
You say "Witch" like it's a bad thing!

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a bit more on the subject

Post by dragonflydrummer » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:36 am

Browsing around I found this -- which seems pretty much on-topic...

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2005/1141

Harvey Wasserman of the Columbus Free Press wrote:
The right-wing's multi-front war on American democracy now aims at our core belief in separation of church and state. It includes an attempt to say the founding fathers endorsed the idea that this is a "Christian nation," with an official religion.
This really does fall in line with some of the things Ragnar was mentioning about a redrafting of the E.U. "Constitution" and the Eastern European members lobbying for an "official religion".

My question is: Why would anyone think a nation would need such a thing as an official religion? :roll: It seems obvious that such a bias would create, rather than solve problems. I think it is almost an act of 'anti-diplomacy' -- which is just plain old dumb...
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Post by Wbdsgnr1 » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:28 pm

I came in on this late.........

But as a Going-To-Be-Parent this makes me so angry!! I can raise my kid in any religeon I want to!

Especially cuz the law states your parents can choose your religeon for you until you are 18. Thats why most kids have it so hard trying to be pagan in a christian home. Doesn't this seem contradictry to that?

But there are enough pagans/wiccans/new-agers out there that we will make our voice heard and we are an ever growing population that will have to be dealt with and this will be overturned I am sure of it.


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Post by Ragnar » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:50 am

I think what the whole thing hinges on is that, no matter what the law sais, it is the preasures from the community that causes most of the problems. As I said my Sister had the right to come into the school and teach her own kids during the religeous edu... propoganda periods. She did withdraw them from the religeous school assemblys, then they came home singing "Jesus wants me for a toy boy" or similar. My Sister went to the school and asked how, considering the withdrawl. How? because they practiced hymn singing in thier music class! Take note, before my Sister had made us "known", this had never happened. It was the pure bloody mindedness on behalf of the teaching staff to do anything to get around the parents wishes. They did get their school placement changed after a while, but my Sister had to move to another town to do it.

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catchy tune...

Post by dragonflydrummer » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:46 pm

Ragnar states:
She did withdraw them from the religeous school assemblys, then they came home singing "Jesus wants me for a toy boy"
Along with some of the melodies penned by Mendelssohn -- Jesus wants Me for a Toy Boy, is my favorite Xtian hymn ! =D>
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Post by Ragnar » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:20 pm

Aye,
They do tend to have some of the best music and buildings.
Tell me something, I must have serious sleeping problems because I seem to be operating on Seattle time, or are you on Berlin time?
I can never quite work out if the time bar at the top of the posts is on G.M.T or zulu time. (Oh... Thats the time for youre location, by the way. To damn long in the army.)

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I'm just a timeless kinda guy...

Post by dragonflydrummer » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:02 pm

Actually, I think the Devil has the best music... as to buildings, maybe the xtians have the best but the Parthenon fits in there someplace.

I'm an Insomniac -- my screen timebar is presently posting an hour earlier than Zulu.

:sleepy1: :sleepy2: :tongue3: :sleepy2: :sleepy1:

But now that I look at it, your timebar may be translating my time to yours, and vice-versa... this post should say 10:02 PM.

:salute:(which army were you in -- Helvetia, Deutschland, or Her Majesty's?) :salute:
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Post by Librarian » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:39 pm

The server this is on uses PDT/PST, it's in San Diego, California.

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Post by Ragnar » Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:37 am

Thanks Librarian, nice to know that "big Brother" is still around. He He.
I was in the British army Military Police for three years, between going to sea. (???) WHY the Hel I joined the army I will never know. The Navy would have made more sense.
I think I just liked the red caps.
Aye the Partheon will be O.K. when it's finished.
Music, I agree, Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc, are some of my favourites, but as far as classical music goes Handles "Messiah", seems much better than a bunch of swans prancing around some pond in the Russian outback.

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Post by scoia » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:16 pm

I'm sorry, don't mind me for one moment, but the best music? You would be invoking METAL. Preferably of the doom or black variety, thank you.

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Post by Ragnar » Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:25 am

I do not think i have heard the doom or black metal. My record (YES:... RECORD!) buying stopped at Megadeath. I do not know what it is about music these days, the songs just do not make sence. We used to have tunes you could sing along to, you youngsters do not know what proper music is...etc, etc.
I do have some Corvus Corax and In Extremo, which is getting more towards the thrash metal. But I still like the 70>80's metal stuff, Whitesnake the first time around, the same with Def Leppard, Blue Öyster cult, Saxon, Sabbath, Purple, Kiss and AC/DC Stuff etc.
DAVISHERM, The thing that started these rambles was about a court ruling that may be overturned. If you are still keeping up with this chatter, could you let us know if there have been any developments?

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Post by davisherm » Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:11 pm

As far as I can tell, there haven't been any news updates on this story. I've been searching for more info on and off since it first came to my attention, but from what I've been able to gather, it hasn't cleared the appelate docket yet.

I'll keep looking, though.

Musicwise, I'm into some of the new metal stuff, though I haven't heard too much blackmetal that I like. The older 80's stuff is pretty good to me. I'm still discovering groups, though. I wasn't allowed to listen to real music while I was growing up, so coming accross a 20 year old song and liking it isn't that unusual for me.
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