So nervous about one thing, upset about the other

Now here's something to get steamed up about.
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So nervous about one thing, upset about the other

Post by melina » Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:39 pm

Last night I had a dream that Kerry would win. Dear Goddess I hope I'm right. Last I checked Kerry was in the lead by 12 electoral votes. All day in every class, we've talked about the election. I'm a huge political person even though I despise politics, so I've been riled up all day. It's amazing the ignorance among my generation. Some people picked a candidate and did not even know his stance on several issues. All I know is that I want to have faith that this will turn out well, but that would be putting faith in politicians, and thats darn near impossible for me to do.

Sad part: Georgia has voted against gay marriage. I guess I should have expected it, but it' still sad to hear it made official. I know so many gay people here that will be crushed by this. I hate Georgia. You know, a man running for Georgia Senator had this to say about his opponent on his commercial "He was a speaker at the Gay Pride Parade. He said that gay's are the most badgered and harassed minority in the country and that gay rights are our day's civil right's issues. GAY?! He obviously doesn't know what civil rights is about. Vote for someone who will stand up for the rights of DECENT men." Like I said, I know it's Georgia, but to think he might win with a campaign like that...

Anyways. Had to get it off my chest... Thank you for letting me rant.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!-

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Post by Raven » Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:08 pm

Im with you on the Georgia thing... it scares me, Bush scares me...
im going to move to England..
things just seem so much simpler there...
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Post by melina » Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:12 pm

I was going for Holland or Sweden, but we've got the same basic idea!
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!-

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Post by Lotus » Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:00 pm

Spain or Canada for me!
Grrrrrness! Ohio just voted for issue one banning gay marriage and civil unions. As for myself being an Ohio voter today I could say that the wording of this on the ballad was misleading intentionally.
This is not a good sign for Kerry since this issue brought out the moral conservatives that normally vote Republican.
Since PA has gone to Kerry it is up to Florida and Ohio. So far it looks like Ohio is going for Bush.....grrrrrr.

There is hope for all is not done yet...as of 10:00pm people were still in line at the polls although they closed at 7:30pm

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Post by Lotus » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:07 pm

Grrrrrr, Bush won. :evil:

We are doomed because of the Moral conservatives who seek to push their views on everyone else
what do I expect:
1) kiss roe vs wade goodbye! There is the misconception that women who have abortions are permiscuous and that all abortion is wrong.
Kerry said in the debates that it is between a woman and her god. I disagree since religion and "God" should not be forced on anyone.
George Bush supports the misconception and promotes moral family values and it is the governments role to do this. I disagree with him because the decision is not to be between a woman and her government.
Simply, the decision should be between a woman and her doctor.
2)more outsourcing of our jobs and the destruction of the middle class....unfortunately, GW sees the middle class as people who make $10 dollars an hour. Sorry but you cannot support a family on this let alone support a single person well on it!
3) terms like "God", "George Bush" and "America" will continue to be interchangeable in his mind Welcome to moral conservatism were things will be stricter and life will become harder for "alternatives" like homosexuality, paganism, and many other fringe group things or ideologies.
4) the people are going to get screwed and big busness profits above all.....our lives will be defined by slaving to the grind if you are so lucky to have a job in the middle class bracket.

These are my predictions and Lord and lady knows that I hope they do not come to be.

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Post by katsu » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:28 pm

Well Melina(and all),

you're very welcome here in Holland.
I was also hoping shrub would loose......but when i heard the news; an image popped into mind:

movie, SpaceBalls. final scene:

Whell, here goes the planet..........


Good luck to all.
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Post by marsalilass » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:15 pm

Well, it is a very sad day for this country I have to admit. Us west coasters managed to pull Kerry votes . . . . but WOW! I am actually still kind of in shock that the majority of the rest of the country managed to ignore that Bush is a moron . . . #-o

My biggest fear is now that he doesn't have to worry about RE-election . . . what is he going to do? I have this dreaded feeling that he is going to make even more drastic moves. After all, he can't be elected again anyway . . what does he have to loose?

On my way in to work today I saw a lone man standing on the overpass . . . holding an American flag upside down (a sign of distress for those who don't know) :cry: Unfortunately, he's right . . we're in major distress and yet most of the country seems to have blinders on.

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Post by Stormy » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:33 pm

I agree with you Lotus, Marsalilass, Katsu - this sucks so bad. I am so afraid of the damage he is going to do to our civil rights, the environment, the economy in the next four years. It is so depressing. But it goes to show how easily brainwashed and manipulated the "moral majority" are - he spouts love of God and they are ready to line up and give him their rights and help him pollute the waters and cut down the tress and send all the jobs out of country with big stupid smiles on their faces cause it all must be right since he loves God...

OK, enough, I'm getting really upset, and I don't like the feeling, or what it can promote me doing and saying...

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Post by Stormy » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:36 pm

OK, I do have to add one more thing - I know that as Pagans, it is not our way to preach and push for our rights, etc. But I am afraid that if we don't all somehow find a way to truely band together, stand together and fight to be recognised and accepted, even if it's only legally, that we are going to see horrible things happening more and more... I hope I am wrong.

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Post by marsalilass » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:43 pm

Stormy, I agree with you. Banding together does not meant that we become an "organized religion" it only means exactly what we do here . . . care and give support. What in the heck is wrong with Pagans coming together to fight for the same causes? -- okay, another rant for another time I guess-- lol
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Post by morgana » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:35 pm

I could've cried when I found out this afternoon that Kerry conceded Ohio. It's so awful, and I'm so afraid of what Bush will decide to do next. :-(
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Post by Wbdsgnr1 » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:43 pm

he handed it over like that? Gave up the fight? Urgh......


this is horrible, im mad. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


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Post by socialgreen » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:06 pm

Something went terribly wrong Tuesday and Wednesday. Bush was elected for the first time but he was not suppose to be. It seems as though reality was pulled for a split second, changed and reintroduced back into the space time continuum. In other words, I cannot figure out what happened. The evidence that the U.S. went to war under false pretense, jobs that were lost that were equivalent to Herbert Hoover Presidentcy, loss of civil rights, etc. I heard Pat Robertson's name being mentioned a lot by Peter Jennings and I wonder what concordat Bush made with him? I and the wife are stuck here in the U.S.A. and cannot leave. The wife and I were thinking on going to Canada if Bush won. I hope there is those of you who can set up a radio station and form Radio Free America to help overthrow Conservatist Radio and politics.
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Post by Fairydust » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:58 am

Moving to Canada...My dad is suck a jerk...He voted for bush which its his desios but then he calls me stupid and all this stuff because I resent bush...ALOT...Its not that I really like Kerry..its just that i think Kerryt will do a heck better than Bush...I REALLY dont like him...I agree with the Iraq is not who we should be attacking and I think that Bush is budding into things that really isnt his bissnus and all that jazz...i mean I know he just wants this world to be peacefull but seriously...Hes using guns and amo and all that jazz to do it...and I just really dont agree with his Ideas at all..My dad thinks Im stupid for what Im thinking and he says that Kerry is gonna make HIm pay more taxes..the people who ACTULY work to pay more taxes and the people who dont work get to sit on the butts and eat hotdogs all day...and I heard n the background of the phone my step mother saying "HEY THAT SOUND LIKE HANA!" I was sooo pissed...Im like really upset with my dad and step mother..I still love my sister...shes with me YAY...My sister, brother, and i both think Bush stinks...YAY
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Post by marsalilass » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:00 am

Exit polls have said that the main reason people voted for the dreaded Shrub is because of "moral values" . . . WHHAAATTTT?????? Moral values? Going to war under false pretenses, Enron, Heliberten (sp?), major environmental ignorance, spending more on a war to rebuild another country rather than spending that money on getting our own country under control, STEALING the 2000 election . . . . not to mention being a previous proven drunk driver and suspected cocaine addict . . . . MORAL VALUES????? He has been the driving force behind over 1,100 Americans deaths . . not to mention all the Iraq civilians who have died since we've been there . . . INNOCENT PEOPLE! They call THAT moral values? Gee. . sure glad I don't live in Texas!

I do have a little teensy bit of faith in the American people . . . the race was actually very close indeed. I nearly cried watching Kerry's concession speech though . . . he seemed so heartbroken like so many of us are right now :cry:
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