Child Pornography Law Loop Hole

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Child Pornography Law Loop Hole

Post by Stormy » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:10 pm

Well, it seems that sexual child abuse is the "in" thing :evil:
Along the lines of Scan's post, I would like to share what I just had happen to me today...

As many may know, my husband and I work on the side as freelance 3d artists. Much of the work is "adult" in that it shows nudity - OF ADULTS. So we got contacted by an on line pay site that saw some of our work and asked if we would be interested in doing "adult" comics for their site - short story line, all of course with the same ending ;) - and fairly good money being offered. So we asked for a bit more details and here is an excerpt from their reply to us...
Also, be aware that while we do not ask you to work on content you do not want to, there are lots of comics at our site which are considered "fringe" or "fetish" content which tends to offend a lot of mainstream folks. None of it is illegal. As you may know the new version of the 18 USC 2257 laws in the USA have basically eliminated the cartoon element from age-related depictions. So lolitas and such are frequent subject matter at our site. Again, it is legal...but distasteful to some people. As said, we don't expect you to produce that type of material if it offends you...but your material may eventually show up beside that type of content on the site. We suggest that all artists work under a moniker or pseudonym if they do not wish to be identified with said materials.
WHAT THE _____!?!?!? I never heard of the law before, but in my opinion child pornography - WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS SO CAREFULLY SAYING HIS SITE PROMOTES - is WRONG, no matter if it's real or artistically rendered!!!!!!! Oh, so "we" don't have to do that sort of thing and "we" can use a fake name so no one knows we are supporting a site (by working for them) that promotes child pornography and encourages pedophiles AND HE THINKS THAT MAKES IT OK!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yes, I'm really ticked off about this. Enough so that I intend to write my representatives about this screwed up law and I encourage all of you to do the same.
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Post by Willow » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:12 pm

If I were American I would write in a minute, I bet there are online advocacy groups you could send some of this in=fo too who would have a field day with it, good job on standing up for what you believe in.
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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:31 pm

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Kill them all.
Let our Pagan gods who are against such atrocities sort them out.

What is wrong with the world?!?!?!
Ugh
This situation is disgusting.
In Surrey, 1.5 hrs from where I live (not long ago marked the city with the highest rate of auto theft) kids are having sex at 8. Girls in my little hick town had sex with 30 year-olds at that age, fully consented (but still rape, of course). THE WORLD IS MESSED UP!
We need a giant bugzapper for these crazy people. Come on, a child! A CHILD! That's worse than anything. These _______s should all be shot.
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Post by Chelle » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:25 pm

Something should definitely be done about this!!! I can not believe these people had the nerve to ask of you such a thing

I am sat here right now with smoke coming out of my ears and breathing friggin fire!!! :smt070 :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:
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Post by Stormy » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:24 pm

Well, we of course sent off a rather sharp reply and here is a snippet of what the fellow sent back...
...Also, you're not the only artist to ask what kind of content is on the site, and while it's nothing illegal obviously, we do realize some of the content, be it violence or sexually oriented, can be found offensive to many people. Because of that, is why I provide the warning that I did ahead of time. Many artists just don't care...long as they don't have to work on something they don't like...they could care less. Others, like yourself, that have professional and personal standards, generally do not want to work for us and I can completely understand...

...I truly hate to lose out on such a wonderful artist as yourself based solely on issues stemming from moral standards, but I do completely understand your point of view and offer my sincere apologies that we can find no middle ground...

...I wish you the best of luck with future projects and compliment you again on your fine 3D graphics work. I will place your name and monikers on my "Not Interested" list so that I will not bother you again. And again, my apologies.
What the hell is wrong with this world is very obvious in his reply - moral standards are not something that the business world seems to think people should base thier choices on :evil:
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Post by Lotus » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:53 am

What is the problem with people lately? Just this morning as I'm watching the news there is a report where they busted a Child porn/sex ring in Toledo, Ohio.

There are lots of sick things out there. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
People with sexual disorders are now brushing them off as "fringe" and whine that they have to be accepted INSTEAD of getting help for their disorders.

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Post by forgotten oceans » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:00 am

Dude 0_o !! I can't believe they said that, the child porn is ok, thing and then the morale standards bad, thing!!!!! Child porn is NEVER ok, I don't care if it is cartoon!!! And a serious lack of morale standards is the only way they'd have a site with child porn on it!! Of course they don't like morals, lots of people with morals means no site and no patrons, I can't believe they implied YOU were the bad one for having morals!!!!! :angry4:

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Post by Crazy Healer Lady » Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:51 am

What a bunch of immoral morons. If they were kids I'll bet they'd have some convenient moral issues against the topic. :evil: Come on. Child porn is nothing less than abuse and rape. A cartoon of it is just supporting that evil evil evil act.

What is wrong with these people??
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The ONLY ethical "fringe" is.....

Post by gwmRNpozSC » Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:27 pm

The ONLY ethical "fringe" is SOLELY CONSENTING ADULTS.

Right or wrong, adults have the right to be idiots.

But that's with other adults.

These OTHER people are BEYOND being "criminals" - words are failing me, now.

How hard is it for the LEGAL system and the LAW MAKERS to understand that CONSENTING ADULTS are NOT children?

I've read articles about European countries debating what the "age of consent" should be: 16, 14, etc.

This is NOT for teenagers with teenagers, but for with ADULTS!

What ADULT in his/her right mind would want to have be intimate with a 14 year old?

It's one thing not to legislate morals.

It's another thing to legislate immorality.
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Post by Kelreth » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:50 pm

words can not express my feelings about this topic
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something similar to that, but slower much slower

Loop holes are every where, the sick part is when there sentence is done. They get out, just like every other suck b@star... that goes into prison. Too bad the entire US isnt like Texas, they kill people good down there.
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Post by Grumpy » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:31 am

I realize this post may be highly unpopular, but consider this. Pediphiles can't help their attraction any more than anyone else can, and there is no cure. Isn't it better to have them looking at cartoons than the real thing? The problem isn't going to go away, ya know? I'm not saying this sort of thing is OK, by any means, but at least its an outlet that doesn't involve real children. Can you imagine being told that you can never again indulge your sexuality in any way shape or form? Even in conversation? I know I'd get pretty desperate after a while. These people aren't going to go away, and they WILL find a way. Sick as it is, until we find a cure, isn't this better? Let's be realistic. I'd happily shoot them on sight, but until they come with neon signs on their heads, they'll be among us.

Yuck, I need a shower now. I feel all icky.
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Post by Stormy » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:37 am

Grumpy, the problem with that, with any behavior that you want to control, is that it is a PROVEN FACT that if you immerse yourself in stimulus for the very behavior that you are trying to control that it only makes you WANT TO ACT OUT on that behavior even more. And it has been proven that of the persons who are sexual deviants who expose themselves to 'fantasies' of what they want to do a VERY HIGH percentage of them WILL ACT on those fantasies, where as those sexual deviants who avoid exposure to media which would feed their desires are MUCH LESS LIKELY to act on those desires.

Yes, I understand that it is a mental condition that cannot be cured, but it can be controlled and saying that because it is uncurable they shouldn't try to control it is like saying that because the bridge is there you should jump.
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Post by Grumpy » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:07 am

Good point, Stormy, and not necessarily an invalid one, but I still disagree. The vast majority of people with pedophilic tendancies never DO act against real children, most only engage in the trade and use of pictures and materials. There are thousands and thousands of pictures of real kids traded on the internet every day. I think more victims would be saved by them having access to unreal materials than would be caused by them using materials they would have gotten hold of some other way anyway. I still think its better to keep them where we can find them if we need to, than to drive them further underground, where we can't.

Besides, disgusting as the particular topic is, there are first amendment issues here as well. Why aren't we talking about banning cartoons featuring the rape and/or murder of women? Just because "she's" 16 instead of 15 it's OK? Where do we draw the line? And who gets to say so? All they have to do is call the cartoon "Brenda the 18 year old", regardless if she looks 12, and it's a whole different ball game. Who determines whether a cartoon looks too young? Remember Betty Boop? What about the episodes of South Park where the boys are running around in thong underwear? How do you legislate the difference? Do you trust our politicians that much? I sure don't.
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Post by Ragnar » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:34 am

That is one of thee very few things that I support the death penalty for.

But;
Stormy wrote: Yes, I understand that it is a mental condition that cannot be cured, but it can be controlled and saying that because it is uncurable they shouldn't try to control it is like saying that because the bridge is there you should jump.
That is exactly the same argument that 1800 > 1980's psychiatry used about Gays.

It does NOT work. (We end up with places like that House in the film, which had been a mental place for criminaly insane that went on fire and people had to stay there to win a million dollars. "Hill house", or "House on hell hill?" Any way the experiments they were doing before the fire.)

The point is Gays are not harming any one else. Paedophiles however are.

There is only one "control": High velocity lead injections in the kneck.
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Post by Lotus » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:34 am

I have a question about Pedophiles.
Is is like rape in the sense where they do it for power and not to express sexuality per se or is is a sexual disorder?
As in:
Is it a factor of being dominant over someone smaller or
is it a factor of sexual desire?

The difference is that one can be controlled and the other cannot be.

I personally think that pedophiles should be forced to live after being made castrated (or female version that there of).

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